Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

Purduebarry

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Well I've been putting off writing this but the time has come to ask for input. I've been a faithful contributor to threads and learned A LOT from this forum, now I'm asking for your honest support :) . <br /><br />Strike One: Bayliner<br />Strike Two: OMC<br />Strike Three...Wood Rot, but wait this can be fixed DIY :D !<br /><br />In an attempt to fix a small soft spot in the deck I've removed almost all of the starboard rear decking, seat structure and foam. Removed some of the port side. Everything is clean, dry and ready for reassembly.<br /><br />Then a problem presented itself, I took some screws out of the transom, these were from a fish finder and the speedo cable. The goal was to insure they had good caulk ect and this was part of my clean up. The top 4 or 5 screw holes have tight, yellow, good, solid wood, the bottom two screws came out with damp, black, coffee grind mush :( . There are a few spider cracks at the bottom of the outdrive too. Begining to show stress. I squirted lots of Clear Penetrating Expoy Sealer in the holes but realized this was a band-aid for a surgical candidate.<br /><br />1) I can put the deck back together, cut my losses, sell it to some poor unsuspecting fool and be boatless :( .<br />2) I can just fix the deck and use the boat for as long as it will hold together, rely on the CPES :confused: .<br />3) Finish what I've started, fix it right and get back on the water :cool: . <br /><br />I'm opting for #3. It is not an option to have a big boat payment and stay married. I've got young kids and want to get them on the water, safely. This means fix it right! I can have the motor and drive pulled, then put back in for around $400 to $600 including most of the parts I should need. Motor and drive seem to be in good shape and ran great end of last season. Full winterization by the marina.<br /><br />What should I count on replacing (other than wood and resin)? Gaskets, fittings etc.<br /><br />With the motor gone how hard is it to replace the transom? I've gotten this far and I have all the tools, just go slow from the inside to the glass as I've done on the hull already? <br /><br />With your support I'm sure I can get it back together and I feel certain that if I fix this boat correctly I can enjoy it for years to come and stay on the water. Are you in ;) ?
 

Purduebarry

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

What is Seacast? I'll do a key word search but I don't recall reading about this in any threads.
 

Purduebarry

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

Okay did as suggested... is this for real. Who has used it. How do I get the wood out of an I/O. Will this stuff ever rot or leak? Uhhmmm. I still need to be convinced. I'm going to search some more.
 

KRS

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

I've heard of one guy that's seacasted a new transom.... that should speak for itself.<br /><br />If it was a good transom material, they would be using it at the factory.<br /><br />Use plywood.
 

Tail_Gunner

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

Respectfully KRS factories are not going to act in your best intrest or there's unless it cut's the bottom line.<br /><br /> That is a bit jaded and perhap's i have been in sales far to long, from what i can see with most mfg's are now run on ROI ( return on investment). There name plate no longer means anything, they rationalize the world in number's,why spend the money when fast paced high volume sales are never ending.<br /><br /> As far as there concerned customer's are not loyal and they are soley price driven so why invest. If you laugh at that, then you have no idea of how corprate is run these day's<br /><br /> <br />I'd do a little search and and see what the customer comment's are like after they have used the product, from what i have seen there quite satisfied
 

studlymandingo

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

There are several posts regarding the seacast stuff here in iboats resto forum. From what it seems, it's a viable product. I assume it makes sort of a composite transom once it is installed and cured. No rot is good rot!
 

JasonJ

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

Purdue, I am not sure of your mechanical abilities, but removing a drivetrain from a boat is not nearly as difficult as it seems. There is no reason why you can't get some manuals, find a buddy who has turned a wrench or two, rent an engine lift, and remove the drivetrain. <br /><br />Seacast is basically a whole bunch of fiberglass resin with material in it. It does require that there is some form of containment while it cures. An outdrive hole presents challenges, but it is not insurmountable. Personally, I would go with wood, seal everything well, and be done with it. Seacast is spendy, you could build a great transom out of wood and epoxy and have an end result that will last as long as you need it to. Good luck...
 

Purduebarry

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

Yea, I'm a bit iffy on the Seacast, the thread seemed to get hijacked with this stuff. I would consider using it in a different situation. Getting a chainsaw near my boat freaks me out and this was recommended by the manufacturer! <br /><br />Tail Gun has it right, at least one thing has finally resonated with the boat builders and it came from customers, NO MORE WOOD, NO MORE ROT! New boats are damn near, if not completly wood free. <br /><br />The new composits hold promise and this is even appearing in low end boats. Heck, the new Boeing 787 will basically built from plastic and composits. Aerospace invents it, the rest of the world learns how to adapt it!<br /><br />Uhhh..back to the issues at hand, I really want to fix this boat, solid as a rock and hope the engine and drivetrain hold up as well as the epoxy. I just need to hear that I'm not nuts for doing all this work to an 1988 Bayliner with an OMC. Life's a gamble, I won't trust unknown quantities of transom rot, but I'm willing to give it a shot and fix this thing. <br /><br />Jason your right about the lift. How far do I go? I'm not sure of the limits to my capabilities, so far I haven't found them. But reading about it and doing it are two different things! Perhaps it's time to order that service manual :D .
 

KaGee

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

I do not see Seacast as being viable to repair an I/O transom. Ya go that hole to deal with. My .02 worth.
 

JasonJ

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

How far do you go? As far as it takes to complete the project. In the end you have to ask yourself how much do you love this boat. If the finished product will do everything you need it to, then go for it. You always have the option to get another boat, but the odds of having to deal with the same issues are high. There is no such thing as a cheap boat. You either pay a bunch up front, or on the back end.
 

Purduebarry

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

Jason...I'm all in for the repair. This little boat just needed some TLC and someone to fix the rot! I just think it may pay to have someone pull the motor and drive, then I can focus on the wood, epoxy, glass etc. If I try to handle all the mechanical stuff too (pull the motor, etc) it will be time to winterize before I get done. I should have done this during the off season. This is the buzz kill of my first summer with the boat. After all this started as a soft spot in the deck and the desire for new carpet. Yechh!
 

Bsturkie

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

Purduebarry <br /><br />Welcome to the Old Bayliner Club. My transom is going to, I have the volvo/penta setup with the "Free floating" engine which puts much stress on the transom. I braced it with 3 sticks of steel for the season. Then I'm going to sell it. (I will let the buyer that he will need to replace it soon.) I know what to look for in my next boat purchace. BTW, I started with a small soft spot in the bow area also!
 

Purduebarry

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Re: Who's willing to gamble? I'm all in!

Thankfully the bow is hard as a rock...the soft spot was in the aft on the starboard side, the seat used from the swim deck which I think caused the problem to begin with. Years of soaking and typical Bayliner craftsmanship, the water got in and the rot ensued. The entire seat structure was shot too. Now I'm going for the transom. I could get away with it but I wan this boat solid and hope this is the way to go. I have an OMC so it's a bit different than your free float. I'll have it pulled and then get after the rot. The saving grace for me is the boat was garaged most of it's life. I'll keep you posted.
 
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