Why do i have a voltage capacitor in my wiring?????

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kennv

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While rewiring my electronics on my Aquasport i found a mallory capacitor, not knowing what its used for i may have bypassed it. The only problem i have is that when i run my Raymarine GPS and my Foruno radar at the same time both go out, but if i run the GPS alone i have no problem. My question is should i wire my radar up to a different battery and do i need that capacitor to boost the voltage?????????
 

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Re: Why do i have a voltage capacitor in my wiring?????

A capacitor does not boost voltage. It is a filter. IT is either filtering the alternator output or the noise from the gps or radar units or all three.
 

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Maybe the wire is too small i'll have to check but it never effects the GPS unless the radar is on, if i turn the radar off the GPS it will eventually come back on, but i've never tried the radar bye its self. The only thing that i changed after buying the boat was to put in the Raymarine C70 GPS and i connected to the same connection that the original GPS was connected to. Do you think this uses more power than the origanal GPS.
 

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Re: Why do i have a voltage capacitor in my wiring?????

In DC circuits a large cap acts similar to a battery.They can be used to absorb voltage spikes as a filter sort of like the condenser in a points set. Or like the really large caps that provide extra oomph to sub-woofers in the crazy loud car stereos they act as a fast acting bucket of power for short bursts of extra current.Like someone already mentioned the Cap would not increase Voltage at all but may still be used to give start-up current a boost for a device that has a short surge during powering up ect.. Go download the manuals for your devices and see what the recommended ways are to wire them.Hope you get it straightened out and post your fix on here when you do. :)
 

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A capacitor in that situation(depending on its size) was most likely used as a band-aid to cure a voltage drop due to insufficiently sized wiring. If you size your wiring correctly, you won't need it.
 

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Thanks for all your help....
 

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Sorry Bruce thats rubbish .for a capacitor to increase voltage it would have to be able to generate voltage ...a capacitor does not have that ability ......the filter answer is correct . its probably 3 uF ...most probable cause is a ground fault ..I suspect both units use the same faulty ground connection.
 

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Sorry Bruce thats rubbish .for a capacitor to increase voltage it would have to be able to generate voltage ...a capacitor does not have that ability ......the filter answer is correct . its probably 3 uF ...most probable cause is a ground fault ..I suspect both units use the same faulty ground connection.
As an electrical engineer with a lot of experience in similar issues, I think you are mis-intpreting what Bruce said. Capacitors will not increase the voltage, however they can supply a large slug of current for a VERY short period of time. This will often enable a system to "ride-thru" a very short drop-out of the battery volatge due to either a flaky connection vibrating loose, or similar. However, my bet is that this capacitor is an attempt to deal with line noise. Whether it solves either issue is dependent on the value and type of capacitor. Larger electrolytic caps will help with the carry-thru behavior. Smaller non-electrolytic caps do a better job of fixing higher frequency line noise. In the automotive elcectronics world we often use bothe types of caps for wide range coverage. Frankly, in most cases, these sorts of caps are band-aids to cover issues rather than good design practice. That said, they usually dont hurt anything. However, electrolytic caps do tend to dry out and fail, especially at the high temperatures that could exist under the deck of a boat sitting on a trailer in the sun.

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Sorry Bruce thats rubbish .for a capacitor to increase voltage it would have to be able to generate voltage ...a capacitor does not have that ability ......the filter answer is correct . its probably 3 uF ...most probable cause is a ground fault ..I suspect both units use the same faulty ground connection.
That's not what I meant. I am a EE so I know what a capacitor does in a circuit. I was talking about an instantaneous voltage drop where the inductance and resistance of the power feed was causing instantaneous drop due to a high frequency demand. Like I also said, the size of the cap would also tell what they were trying to fix here.

I have done a lot of high speed circuit board layout and design with FPGAs and ASICs I have designed. I know the value of local capacitors for circuits that tend to have high frequency current demands.
 

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In fact, most of the difference between a high quality computer mainboard and a cheap one is the quantity and quality of those local filter capacitors.
 

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:facepalm: You guys are funny, thanks for making me laugh. Oh yea, I am an Aircraft Mechanic but who cares, jeez.
 

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The capacitor that is in my wiring is a Mallory, 2000 MFD 50VDC,pos + 85c, max surge g5vdc, what ever that means.......what i was thinking before i got so much feedback was that the cpacitor may be used to supply extra voltage to the radar unit if it calls for it. Both the radar and the gps units work fine when they're on togeather for about ten min., then the color goes dark and you can't read them. If you look close the gps is still on but you can bearly see it.... If i turn the radar off the gps comes back on and works fine for the rest of the day...
 

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The capacitor that is in my wiring is a Mallory, 2000 MFD 50VDC,pos + 85c, max surge g5vdc, what ever that means.......what i was thinking before i got so much feedback was that the cpacitor may be used to supply extra voltage to the radar unit if it calls for it. Both the radar and the gps units work fine when they're on togeather for about ten min., then the color goes dark and you can't read them. If you look close the gps is still on but you can bearly see it.... If i turn the radar off the gps comes back on and works fine for the rest of the day...

Ken:
A capacitor cannot supply additional (higher) voltage to your units. It MAY reduce the effect of an "iffy" ground or power connection. Check the voltage at the units. My guess is that it is lower than that at the battery. This implies a bad connection (or too small of a wire) between the battery and the unit.
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kennv

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thanks im gonna try that...
 

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3 uf ....filter out interference. prevent radiation from the cables
2000uf ....smooth the output ..take the hum out of a speaker on a radios etc
2 Farads.....provide a surge of current for peak requirement ..eg high powered vehicle hi fi
 

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3 uf ....filter out interference. prevent radiation from the cables
2000uf ....smooth the output ..take the hum out of a speaker on a radios etc
2 Farads.....provide a surge of current for peak requirement ..eg high powered vehicle hi fi

sorry duplicate post
 

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Re: Why do i have a voltage capacitor in my wiring?????

All these EE's and nobody told him to get a VOM and measure the voltage at the units? C'mon guys trouble shooting 101 - verify the basics - my guess is you have a bad ground or supply connection somewhere and the voltage is dropping too low under load.
 

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Since things work fine for about 10 minutes and then things head south, I would also suggest checking battery voltage from the time the units are turned on and until they quit. Low battery voltage may very well be the issue. Most electronics have both high and low voltage cut-off protection. Once the battery voltage gets to the "low" cutoff, the units shut down. The manuals for your units will usually indicate the voltage range in the "specifications" at the back or front of the book.. Because a battery is fully charged when you start, a dying battery cannot hold a charge so its voltage drops quickly.
 

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This is an old thread from September, and the original poster hasn't been back since October 10th. :facepalm:
 

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Re: Why do i have a voltage capacitor in my wiring?????

Dag nab it - I hate when that happens. I'll take 20 lashes with a wet noodle.
 
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