why so many 3.0 questions?

TilliamWe

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I am not being a smart aleck or even trying to pick on anyone... but can anyone tell me why it seems like 75% of the questions under this heading are about Mercruiser 3.0liter 4 cylinder engines? I have never owned one, so I have never had any problems with them. I know that the 2.5 Iron Duke (later the Tech 4) was a decent engine in cars. Same family. So what am i missing? Or is this just coincidence, and next month all the questions will be on 5.7l?
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

I think it's because there are so many out there.
 

Big-E

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

Well i just got mine together and want to make sure i dont blow it up. LOL<br /><br />My dads 5.8 L OMC has had its fair share of problems but have been far easier since water pumps and starters are easy to diagnoise and change. Why my boat wont rev past 3300 rpms while underway is a bit more difficult. <br /><br />At least thats my excuse..<br /><br />J.kopec : as far as tehre are so many of them being out there this is only true for running motors. Before i rebuilt mine i tried to find one and came up with nothing. <br /><br />This may just be a florida problem though, <br /><br />later, <br /><br />Big-E
 

tommays

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

theres a lot more than any other<br /><br /> and there allmost allways on beginner / entry level boats bought by people who have no idea how much it cost to keep a boat running correctly<br /><br />i have one and find it to be a great littel motor but i also dont expect it do more than be and entry level motor<br /><br />tommays
 

rodbolt

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

the 2.5 "iron duke" and later the tech 4 had nothing in common with the 153 cid(2.5) and the later 3.0 other than the same CID on some and the fact they were both made by general motors.<br /> most the reason is the small 4 banger is the cheapest rig out and never gets any maint. then ya have the bogging mer-carb, but thats a different post :) . but in the late seventies to present due to hull size and fuel the 4 banger keeps plugging. however we are seeing more and more 4.3L in entry level boats. merc and volvo both wish the 3.0 would fade away but I doubt it will. however I do see the carbed version as being history soon. cant happen soon enough to suit me. the addition of the delco EST was about the best thing to happen so far. Marine power has a 3.0 that has TBI that is sweet. 180 HP and they can stand a 1.98 ratio 18ft galaxy on its head :) :) <br /> the 153 actually was developed by chevolet for a truck about 1956. it was used by GM in trucks and autos till about 62-63. was used by AMC in jeeps till the late 70's. has been used as a stationary engine for various industrial applications since it was introduced. if ya need a speedi-sleeve to correct a leak on a balancer due to oil seal grooving ask for one to fit a 153 4cyl in a 1960 truck. will fit just fine. sleeve is not offered by merc or volvo but they will sell you a 270 dollar balancer. sleeve is about 7 dollars and takes 2 min to install on the balancer if the balancer is on the workbench.
 

SteveRay

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

Well I can say from my own personal experience that the 3.0L is usually in entry level boats and most people getting their first boat are not maintenace guru's and hence the outpour of questions.<br />Gotta start somewhere I guess :p
 

TilliamWe

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

Kinda, sort of what I thought the answer was. I thought maybe they were "junk", but as I can tell from your responses, it's the way that they are cared for.<br />Rodbolt, can I get your e-mail address, cause you just gave a history on the 153, or 2.5 not sure where you were going, that is different from any that I have ever heard. I would like to discuss this in greater detail, just not take up all the room on here.
 

Silvertip

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

Rodbolt, I need to clarify a few points on the origin of the "Iron Duke". Also curious as to what breed of 1960 truck the four banger was installed in in 1960. The term "Iron Duke" was coined by Pontiac when it revived the original 140 four cylinder engine which first appeared as the base engine in the 1961 Chevy II. Pontiac modernized the head and intake and installed it in the Pontiac Astre in I believe 1978. The "Duke" was also used until the end of the model run in the Pontiac Astre, Chevy Monza, Olds Starfire and Buick Skylark. It also served as the base engine in GMs first front drivers through the 80's and 90's. As is GMs policy today, the original 140 was derived by cutting two cylinders off the then new (1961) 194/230/250/(later 292 truck) engine. In 1956 Chevrolet produced no four cylinder automotive four cylinder gas engines much less for trucks. Only the small block V8 and the old 235 stovebot six was used until the 230 thinwall cast engine was installed in full-size cars. Chevy also had no small/intermediate sized cars in 1956 so the four-banger would even be needed. Since the front of the four-banger and front of the thinwall cast I6 engines were the same, the parts you refer to were likely from a newer six cylinder engine -- the parts books would not show a truck four cylinder in 1960. "Fire away" :)
 

Silvertip

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

And then I need to correct myself. The original 140 I mentioned was always 153. The engine the Iron Duke originally replaced in the Pontiac Astre was 140 cubic inches found in the Vega in 1971 (122 cubes in the Twin Cam).
 

rodbolt

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Re: why so many 3.0 questions?

I said it was developed, not produced. the earliest I can find on a production run was late 58 as a side project to the 6cyl. was first used as a small industrial/truck engine and in the early chevyII. I have seen one in a 60 impala but could not confirm it was original. I think the iron duke was acually a 151 CID motor. shared nothing with the block/head of the 153. the 153 has been used extensivly as an industrial motor outside the states. south and central america is full of them on various industrial equipments. the 235 was replaced by a better 6 of the 194 version. took about 4 years to finnish it as the emphasis had shifted to the 265 and 283 and 348/409 development. some of this is my memory is fuzzy. in my twenties I did a lot of research on old engines cause I was working in a shop that specialized in old car restorations, did that for about 3 years. what a pain. was incredible how much iron was produced, some had such limited production runs that parts books wont list them anymore. the overhead cam 250 was one. its still hard to find parts for one. the iron duke moniker has popped in and out but is mostly refered to as the late seventies model of the 151 manufactured for the pontiac. however as a coperate engine it found use all over as a method of fuel economy. and that is why the 2.5,153and the later3.0,181 engines are so popular with marine today. they produce good power for their size and will perform well with minimal maint. there have been many changes over the years with intake/ex ports, pushrod lengths and rocker ratios. I think the earliest general production runs were about 1961 or so. AMC used them in the mail jeeps till sometime in the 70's. 820 jeep in Ft worth used to be a great sorce of heads,blocks and cranks for the old 110,120,135 and early 140 motors. I still see them in aircompressors and pumps all over. they will run for hundreds of hours at medium loads with no failures. so my dates may be off a bit but the fact that the 151 and the 153 share no common parts really is correct. both are listed in various places as a 2.5L but they are two different breeds. the funniest marinazation I ever saw was a guy used a 305CID GMC V6. did not work well at all.
 
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