wiring question

[dhammann]

Re: wiring question

CQ, thank you, thank you for re-enforcing my reply…..I don’t know what your profession is but you definitely know how to interpret the NEC. Being a local inspector does not necessarily make them experts on the NEC, although they do have final say in their jurisdiction. This job is underpaid and the selection is often political and seldom does it require an engineering degree. In my opinion, this is something the NEC should address. It is a sad situation when a BSEE has to battle with a person who thinks they know everything just because they are the local authority. In the industrial machine and controls field there are uniform standards, conventions, and adherence to the NEC, Ul, NEMA and the IEC. In residential construction there is no standard, a lot of building inspector have only their opinion and not the education. Hopefully in the future the insurance and mortgage companies will address this.

 

[divo]

Re: wiring question

What is written in the code is in black and white. GQ stated that the nec specifically stated 10 per circuit....It does not. Using "reason and logic" to add something to it doesnt change the fact that it isnt there. I have yet to see specific code referances to prove your claim. It was also stated in this thread not to use a lifesafety device (afb). What would the insurance and mortgage companies say about that? The reason you dont need an engineering degree is because it is two different professions. Someone with either no real world experience, or no recent experience in the field as an electrician simply doesnt qualify to inspect the work of others or give advice. This is proven here by the advice given above. When a job is inspected...the inspector goes by what is written in the nec, state, and local codes. If it is not written...it is not enforcable. When I get questioned on a violation I wrote ( usually by an EE). I must respond with a referance #. I do, they look it up, and then they redo what they did. This thread is about a basic residential project that anyone with minimal experience could successfully and safely complete.....with the correct information.....something that is not happening here. Talk to the local inspector, then find a local electrician( not an EE that thinks hes one) and ask for some basic advice. Maybe walk through a home being built and get a feel how it is done in your area. I hope it all works out for you. I am going back to the boating forum. Thank You

 

[craze1cars]

Re: wiring question

Nobody seems to have noticed that the gentleman who asked the original question bowed out of this conversation about a week ago....<br /><br />Yet the battle goes on.<br /><br />In the off chance that he reads this again, I feel the need to repeat my original advice, which has been repeated by some others.<br /><br />TALK TO YOUR LOCAL INSPECTOR. Since you already told us you're getting a permit, you have no choice anyway. If you have a permit, you WILL have your work inspected. And it has to pass inspection, or you may be forced to tear it out and do it twice.<br /><br />A strong understanding and accurate interpretation of the NEC is all well and good, but is also useless knowledge if there are more stringent local codes. The NEC is a bare MINIMUM standard, and your local codes will ALWAYS supercede the NEC. There are many local jurisdictions in the US that still require rigid conduit inside walls, or have completely disallowed 15 amp circuits and 14 guage wire. So the NEC might say 14ga NM wire on a 15 amp breaker is acceptable, yet that would be 3 violations in some parts of the country. <br /><br />And then there's the varied interpretations of different inspectors...and the ONLY interpretation of the codes that matters is YOUR inspector's interpretation.<br /><br />There's a few knowledgeable poeple on this site who can give acceptable guidance, and apparently some who know how to read and interpret the NEC, but I'll be REAL surprised if anyone here can accurately state and interpret the codes from Thurmont, MD. You need to learn these codes and follow them, and you simply can't learn them from a world-wide boat forum unless your local inspector happens to be an I-boats member.

 

[--GQ--]

Re: wiring question

Originally posted by divo:<br /><br />Talk to the local inspector, then find a local electrician( not an EE that thinks hes one) and ask for some basic advice. <br /><br /><br />For The Record<br />10 years with the IBEW local 11<br />EE (b.a.) at USC<br /><br />Off The Record<br />Everyone control your temper. That statement above by Mr. Divo was directed toward me. Iboats anyone?<br /><br />I get the last word.

 

[dhammann]

Re: wiring question

CQ, I agree, you should get the last word. I have respect for education....a person without data is just another person with an opinion.