Yet another frivolous lawsuit

plywoody

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Seems Fox News launched yet another frivolous lawsuit against Al Franken for using the term "fair and balanced" on the cover of his new book.<br />Thankfully the courts threw it out as being wholly without any merit. An author has the right of satire, and always has had that right.<br /><br />I do wonder if Fox is getting a kickback from Franken for all the publicity, and probably substantially increasing his book sales. They should.
 

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most likely the only positive press Franken will ever get
 

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Well, I don't think I would loose much sleep over wondering about it.<br />My heart and prayers are with those brave souls around a slab of granite, in another state, in the rotunda of thier capitol building. It has inspired me to go to church today, and each Sunday from this day forward. I called myself a "Christian", while this circus was carried out. Then, to see those committed to God, protesting like a bunch of hippies in the name of thier country and God, moved me beyond words! I'm no christian, but with all my heart, I will be, if I have the brains required.<br />This ruling on the sculpture can only be ruled an attack on freedom of expression,and an assault on religious faith in a higher power. It is wrong. It willl not stand.<br />It's Fox News vs Albert C Franken run amok.<br />It's serious buisness, and an alarm to those who call yourselves "Christian" to get off the easy chair, and go learn how to serve in God's army again.. It's critical, in my opinion, that we re-take our country.<br />I'm sure, in a small way, the Fox/Franken frickus is an important issue, but in the times we live in, it is a distraction only.<br /><br />I have a lot to learn about how to live like the Christian I profess to be. But with the Lord's help, and the help of my wife and her pastor, I'll learn the art of warfare against the evil that has infiltrated one of the last bastions of free faith, and fight with all my soul.<br />It's more than America. The terrorists died to kill others, in the name of Ala. These perverse acts are only now, being dealt with....Yet at the same time, we have sitting judges doing the same evil deads with the tools of thier trade, against the only society with the conviction, faith, and funds to do sometihng about it once and for all!<br />Without Christians, and true Christians standing tall against it, the evil will prevail, as it has in that rotunda.<br />The following is important;<br /><br />I urge all Christians everywhere, to take-up a collection in your place of worship, to offer that state, to buy,or force eminant dommain upon that 10x10 foot piece of public building, into the property of a non-profit organiozation sworm to protect it where it stands. This would make the atheists' and satan worshiupers' weapons (the court systems they own), fangless, and we would win using thier tactics of technicalities, only our interpretations would not need to be perverse or lawless.<br />In other words--- If the state don't own it, by giving it away or selling it, the state can back away from this issue, and the courts will loose thier leverage over it.<br />This is just a proposal, but it moots and de-fangs the evil ones, does it not?
 

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Luckily, not all Christains feel the way you do.<br /><br />They are comfortable privately practicing their faith without feeling compelled that the government mandate their faith be adhered to by everyone else. <br /><br />And thankfully, the framers of the constitution realized that it was never the majority that needed be protected by the bill of rights, but the minority and people with potentially unpopular, but personal beliefs, that needed to be protected.<br /><br />That is what freedom is all about.
 

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Luckily most Christians do, ply. And most people do also. Again common sense applies that most people don't feel the 10 Commandments are a GOVERNMENT mandate at all. <br />And if you're an athiest and believe there isn't a god, then god, prayer and the Commandments are strictly a non issue! <br /><br />And a minor adjustment to you 12', Moses wasn't a Christian. More then Christians hold the Commandments dear. ;)
 

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I know, Skinnywater. but this is all new to me.<br /><br />Plywoody, you posted, "Luckily, not all Christains feel the way you do. They are comfortable privately practicing their faith without feeling compelled that the government mandate their faith be adhered to by everyone else." <br /><br />Not on your life. Just because someone is a Christian, Plywoody, it does not mean they must submit to being persicuted by some judge with a jones for all things God. This is a major turning point for me personally. I don't take my commitments lightly, and never have. And even tho I totally disagree that "most christians " don't mind being written-off as second-class citizens, it wouldn't make any difference to my commitments.<br /><br />"And thankfully, the framers of the constitution realized that it was never the majority that needed be protected by <br />the bill of rights, but the minority and people with potentially unpopular, but personal beliefs, that needed to be <br />protected."<br /><br />THANKFULLY??!!!<br /> LOL. Enough said. I think they meant to protect us all, whether we were weak or strong. What is the point of equality, if this is not true? Are you serious? A majority put these people in power, one at time. Four years each. These servants are sometimes given unmanageable power, being able to appoint judges for LIFE! <br />Now that the present majority has been given the standard, the oposition blocks thier appointmnents, so that they can keep thier laws in force. The majority. like it or not,IS our governing body, Plywoody. "The time has come to save this whale".<br /> <br /><br />"That is what freedom is all about."<br /><br />Freedom is , in my humble opinion, what provides us with the abilty of us to debate this in the first place. To step on individual freedoms is one thing. But that sculpture does not do that. And even you deep-down know that. If it were a bottle of urine with an upside down crucfix in it, this same Judge would declare it "freedom of artistic expression" or some such rot, and force the state to leave it alone, and STATION 24 HOUR GAURDS AROUND IT!!!!<br />I'm not buying it anymore, Plywoody. Enough is enough. I have a good mind to find out how much they want for the thing, along with the property it rests upon, and take up the collection PERSONALLY! And what are you going to do to stop me? It's a technicality, but this action would end this one assault by the antichrists. It should also be noted, that had the state the desire to interfere , or better, to withdrawl from the issue completely, all they needed to do is claim "Eminent Domain",and release the property it rests on,made "private property" under the law.... End of story. But being good public servants, they are attempting the battle of good/vs/ evil play itself out, as the constitution provides ---Even tho it ALSO provides an easy out!<br /><br />See, it's more than just principles at risk for the American Christian, when the symbols that represent our faith are torn-down under the guise of "LAW". It's where the Christian lives, how he lives, and why he believes in God and has faith in God. I'll be the first to admit, I'm not the best Christian. I'm somewhat new at practicing my convictions regarding my faith, and far from the model example of God's people. But I plan to rectify that ASAP, any way I can. I'm not accepting this anymore. If I can't change it, I'll at least change myself, so that when we are attacked closer to home, I can AGAIN, try to do something about it, as one of God's soldiers. This slow erosion of our freedoms, and this slow persecution can lead to HORIBLE things, even genocide, if history does indead repeat itself.
 

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That's real nice 12', your doing good on your own.<br />But let me have some fun too!<br /><br />What I'm reading from plywoody is that Al Frankin gets 1st ammendment protection, but the citizens of that Alabama community don't.<br /><br />Lets read what the Constitution says. And without "Clinton Speak" analyze what is written by and for the common American.<br /><br />1st Ammendment<br />" Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. <br /><br />Oh where, oh where, has the display of The 10 Commandments violated this ammendment?<br />In fact the States Supreme court seems to be overstepping its authority by reinterpreting law that actually "prohibits the free exercise thereof". <br /><br />Lets see what Thomas Jefferson had to say.<br /><br />...(O)ur rulers can have no authority over such natural rights, only as we have submitted to them. The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. In neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg (Notes on Virginia, 1785. <br /><br />Whoa!!!! Heavy, heavy stuff!! Dang relevant too.<br />But plywoody may need more!!!<br /><br />Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts only in which all religions agree (for all forbid us to steal, murder, plunder, or bear false witness), and that we should not intermeddle with the particular dogmas in which all religions differ, and which are totally unconnected with morality (Letter to J. Fishback, 1809). <br /><br />That Thomas, he was the Man!!<br />More for plywoody.<br /><br />In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the constitution independent of the power of the federal government. I have therefore undertaken, on no occasion, to prescribe the religious exercises suited to it; but have left them, as the constitution found them, under the direction of state or church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies (Jefferson's Second Inaugural Address).<br /><br />Starts to make you wonder about the liberals so called "living Constitution" doesn't it? Apply a little Ivy league reinterpetation, some "Clinton Speak", and dang if we don't have things mean the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they originally intended to be!<br /><br />More for the plywoody.<br /><br /> I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling in religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must rest with the States, as far as it can be in any human authority (letter to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23, 1808). <br /><br />Plywoody, I'm glad the news about Al Frankin made your day. <br />I guess us conservatives "just don't get it", again........... :rolleyes:
 

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Okay, Dudes.<br /><br />Mark you calendars. JB agrees with Plywoody.<br /><br />Our Constitution forbids government from establishing a state religion.<br /><br />The notion that "In God We Trust" and other references to God in our pledge to the flag and other places refers only to the Christian God is as naive as believing that this country belongs only to Anglo-Saxons.<br /><br />I will not have Christianity, Catholicism, Hinduism or any other religion shoved down my throat and I will not have my government discriminating against me based on my religious beliefs, or lack of same.<br /><br />The Constitution guarantees us the right to be whatever we wish, without hinderance, and to say what we believe, without persecution.<br /><br />What is true will be true if NOBODY believes it, what is wrong will be wrong if EVERYBODY does it.
 

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Usually I stay away from this stuff, but I do have one question?<br /><br />If this judge was a satanist and put his 10 commandments there, would you feel the same about making sure they stay in the building or is it just ok to keep the ones you believe in?<br /><br />OK, that is extreme, what about a Moslem putting up a monument of the Koran?<br /><br />The original immigrants to this country were fleeing religious persecution, yet their religious beliefs were almost as extreme as some of the extreme religions in the middle east. People here regularly question why people would follow such extreme beliefs.<br /><br />It is easy to say that as long as it follows my beliefs it is right and if it follows the beliefs of others, it is wrong. This country was founded on religious freedom. It does mean you can practice your religion your way, it does not mean that you can force your religion on others as the Taliban did, and as other countries such as IRAN do. <br /><br />I am sure you don't want a goverment that is pushing Moslem values and beliefs just as Moslems, don't want a government that pushes Christian values and beliefs.<br /><br />It really confounds me that people can be so narrow sighted. It is ironic that the things people say they want to fight for are the exact same things they condem in other countries and religions. Think about it, don't just react, actually put youself in another position and think about it.<br /><br />What makes this the best country in the world. The top of that list is freedom. I will fight for the freedom for people to express their views without persecution, but as soon as those views are forced on others, then that is where it crosses the line.<br /><br />The monument is wrong and has no place in a government building just as a burning cross has no place in a government building.
 
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This is one of the few topics I disagree with JB on.<br /><br />Come on people. If you do not think that this nation was built on Chistian values, you either:<br /><br />a. Don't want to know. <br /><br />(Christianty has some rules, most folks do not like rules. Which one of the "ten" don't you ageree with?? If we all lived by them, we would have few problems!!!!)<br /><br />b. Haven't read any of our founding documents.<br /><br />It's interesting how ONLY Christain values are under attack. If you lean toward hindu, muslim, buddism or any other religion, that's fine. We'll put up your sayings, anywhere-no government (ACLU) intrusion.<br /><br />I am in the process of watching, and reading, some materials on the beginings of WWII. My duty, home schooling children. I know-really scary!! I'm your worst nightmare!<br /><br />Hitler had some very astounding agendas.<br /><br />1. He got rid of ALL religious thinking-especially Christanity. He was schooled in it, thus he he knew where to strike.<br /><br />2. He turned the people into a society that worshipped a man not a faith.<br /><br />"Worshipping" any mortal leader is DANGEROUS!!!<br /><br />BTW. Plywoody. Congrat's on <br />throwing another; "grenade over the wall".
 

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Al Franken doesn't know "jack" about the details of the political issues he rants about.He's not worthy of defense or ridicule.In short,What I mean to say,in a fair and balanced way,"He's not good enough,He's not smart enough,and doggonnit people don't like him." :D
 

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That's cool JB, we'll get worried if you start to out number the holidays.<br /><br />
BTW. Plywoody. Congrat's on <br />throwing another; "grenade over the wall".
Yeah but djohns, at least he's stayed away from the abortion topic. :eek:
 

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The monument in Alabama is an acknowledgment/tribute that Alabama state law is based on the 10 commandments, and Biblical teachings. It is not an endorsement of or establishment of a "state" religion, nor is it a limitation of any other limitation or belief.<br />This case is about states rights and jurisdictions.<br />***************************<br />In 1998, the Freedom From Religion Foundation outfit unsuccessfully tried to sue the City of Marshfield (WI) to have a 15-foot-tall concrete statue of Jesus removed from the city’s Wildwood Park “on the grounds that its presence there violated the Establishment Clause of the U. S. Constitution”. The statue had been donated in 1959 (nearly forty years earlier) by the Knights of Columbus to the city “for ‘use and edification of the traveling public’”.<br /><br />“After the City sold the statue to a private landowner, the U. S. District Court dismissed the suit in December 1998.” The atheist group took the case to the U. S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, which ruled on February 4, 2000, that the sale of the statue was valid and appropriate, but ordered the City to take steps to differentiate between the property owned by the City and the <br />private property where the statue is located.<br /><br />The City of Marshfield, in a attempt to comply, “proposed erecting a short, wrought iron fence around the property with a sign indicating that the statue was now on private property”. But that wasn’t enough for the atheists. They “wanted to enclose the statue behind a 10-foot-high concrete wall” and out of sight of any passersby!<br />Fortunately, on May 9, 2000, U. S. District Court Judge John Shabaz for the Western District of Wisconsin ruled that the opinion from the Seventh Circuit did not require. . . “visual separation” of the<br />statue from the rest of the park. . . [and] accepted the proposal from the City requiring the erection of a 4-foot-high wrought iron fence that [would] not block the view of the statue.<br /><br />The City of Marshfield was represented by the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), an organization that “specializes in First Amendment law and focuses on pro-family, pro-life, and pro-liberty cases”. Francis J. Manion, Senior Regional Counsel of the ACLJ Midwest, was pleased with the outcome of the case and stated, <br />“Groups like Freedom From Religion Foundation need to understand that the First Amendment protects freedom of religion—and does not mandate freedom from religion.”<br /><br />******************************************<br />WorldNetDaily 5/22/00 Chuck Baldwin "…..On May 5, Federal District Judge Jennifer Coffman ordered historical documents hanging on the walls of public buildings in Eastern Kentucky to be immediately taken down. The ruling directly targets courthouses and public schools in Harlan, McCreary and Pulaski counties. In defending her decision, Coffman said the displays have the effect of "conveying a very specific government endorsement of religion." Judge Coffman's ruling demonstrates either a profound ignorance of America's history or a profound contempt for America's history. In either case, the judge declared war on America's deep Christian heritage. ……. The offending documents ordered removed included the Declaration of Independence, the preamble to the Constitution of Kentucky, and the national motto, "In God we trust." A page from the congressional record of Wednesday, Feb. 2, 1983, Vol. 129, No. 8, which declares 1983 as the "Year of the Bible" and lists the Ten Commandments, was likewise ordered removed. In addition, a proclamation by President Ronald Reagan marking 1983 the "Year of the Bible," a proclamation by President Abraham Lincoln designating April 30, 1863, a "National Day of Prayer and Humiliation," the Mayflower Compact, and more were ordered removed. Any document having any reference to God was ordered taken down. ………..<br /><br />WorldNetDaily 5/22/00 Chuck Baldwin "…..Using Judge Coffman's reasoning, never again would people be allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance in a public gathering because the words "under God" are in it. No public meeting could ever be opened in prayer. The Supreme Court building would need to be remodeled. Directly above the head of the Chief Justice is an engraving of the Ten Commandments, which is protected by a great American eagle. On the east front is a marble sculpture of Moses. That would have to be torn down. No longer could the Court open with the invocation: "God save the United States and the Honorable Court." ……."<br />*******************<br /><br />interesting link: <br /> http://www.alamo-girl.com/034441.htm
 

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Hmmm.<br /><br />"...built on Christian values..."<br /><br />I believe, if you check you will find that the "Ten Commandments" were presented to the Jews long before Christ came along. That, in my mind, makes them Jewish values.<br /><br />The values this country is based on include religious freedom. . . freedom from religious domination or persecution. My observations do not include this in Christian practice.<br /><br />Certainly Christianity professes many of the values we all share, that does not give them ownership of the values or the country, any more than they "belong" to others who profess them and professed them before Christ.
 

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Good for you, JB.<br /><br />And I was not the one that lobbed this grenade over the wall. I simply caught it from 12 footer and threw it back over the wall.<br /><br />This is a nation of laws. Put up a tablet of the revised criminal code of the State of Alabama, if you want. That is what belongs in a courthouse.<br /><br />And it ought not to matter whether I believe in one god, or seven gods, or green slugs as a diety. I ought to get equal and fair treatment under the law. That is what America is all about.<br /><br />And, of course, the last word on all of this is the courts. Even the relatively conservative supreme court refused to take this issue on. It is why the founders chose a system that separates power, and does not leave ultimate power in any one group.<br /><br />Beside all of that, haven't we had enough of religion in politics? People are bad enough. Once they have god on their side, they get exponentially worse.
 

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My opinion. <br /><br />The leftist are always griping that the right is intolerant when it comes to "gay rights, same sex marriage, ***** Eye for the Straight guy on TV, Al Franken ...the list goes on and on".<br /><br />Just once I would like for the left to be tolerant of Christ.<br /><br />"Beside all of that, haven't we had enough of religion in politics? People are bad enough. Once they have god on their side, they get exponentially worse."<br /><br />I for one believe that once people have God on their side they get exponentially better.<br /><br />Quite frankly I am getting a little tired of having to be the only one who is tolerant.<br /><br />Regards to all,<br /><br />Gold Bear ;)
 
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Why would anyone think that the ten commandments are religious persecution? <br /><br />As I said, if more folks tried to live by them, there wouldn't be nearly as many problems as there are today.<br /><br />True, the commandments were handed down to the Jews. However, Christianity is based, not solely, on Jewish priciples. As some of us may recall, Jesus was a Jew. He ushered in a new promise, the New Testament.<br /><br />Actually, the Bible does mention that Christians (those who believe) will be persecuted. Also, events mentioned in the Bible have happened, on God's timetable, not ours.<br /><br />It also makes some very sobering predictions for the future. Seeing its accuracy, for past events, I believe the future predictions will happen, again, on Gods timetable.
 

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Well said Bear. And, a pet peeve, the way they say "Qu*** eye for the straight guy" with a macho tough guy affect.
 

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If all Godlike symbols are to be removed from our schools and courthouses so that complainers of the Ten Commandments or any other symbol that bothers people with too much spare time on their hands,who do we now swear to under oath? How about "so help me me",or maybe Busta Rhyme bless America.And if the neo America can no longer be directed to swear to tell the truth since they no longer can practice the faith of God in the courtroom ,how do we propose to get the truth out of them?With a cattle prod maybe?I say to hell with all of the whiners.There is as much right to put it there as they have to demand it be removed.Isn't that religious persecution?The Ten Commandments aren't profane are they?I'm betting that if there was a statue of Martin Luther King holding a bible in his hand that there would have been fewer complaints.
 

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The left is not tolerant of Christ? When did that happen?<br /><br />Christains are guaranteed thru the constitution the ability to practice their faith any way they wish, to make new converts, to advertise anyway they see fit. No one on the left that I know of disputes this in the least.<br /><br />The only thing that is in dispute is whether this belongs in a public place, such as a courthouse, and the "left" would object if any religious code was so placed, whether it was the Koran, or some Hindu code, or some Wiccan code. It has absolutely nothing whatever to do with Christianity.<br /><br />The courts have ruled that it does not belong there.<br /><br />As far as whether Franken is liked or not, or has good ideas, BTW, is up to the marketplace of ideas. Some publishers seems to think his book will sell, or they would not have published it. The rest of us are welcome to our opinions, but we don't get to choose what is or isn't published. It is called freedom of speech.
 
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