1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

[robert644]

I have a 1950's model 15HP, Fleetwin I think it's called (My 4th - In 18 years I've owned 4 of these same year/model motors from Alaska to Oregon to California - if that says anything about them)

This particular motor has the engine cover mounts broken. This is the motor with the cover that hinges, where the right side of the motor remains covered and the cover flips up revealing the left side. It's going to cost about $100 to get the castings welded back on, but I may be able to find a later model engine pan and cover for less.

Does anyone know if I can mount a later model pan and cover on this motor, specifically the pan part. If I can get the pan on, I'm sure the cover will fit.

 

[R.Johnson]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

Can you determine what year it is. I think the 5.5 would be the same, but not much help in trying to find it. I have a 5.5 that is seized up. A 56, or 57 as I recall.

 

[Chinewalker]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

Do you mean a 7.5hp Fleetwin or a 15hp Fastwin? Post the model number to make sure.

In any case, there were several different variations on the Evinrude cowlings & pans in the 1950s, even within the various motor models from year to year. I think the 15hp models were fairly similar for 1955 and 1956. Similar again to the 15 were the 18hp models from 1957 and 1958. 1959 saw a significant change and they will not retrofit easily. Pans from the Johnson 15 and 18 models from 1956 to 1958 will also work, as will 10hp pans from Evinrude and Johnson from 1955 to 1958.

Hope that helps.

 

[robert644]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

I was just looking at some pictures of outboards, I don't have a fleetwin, it's a fastwin.

 

[F_R]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

I have a 1950's model 15HP, Fleetwin I think it's called (My 4th - In 18 years I've owned 4 of these same year/model motors from Alaska to Oregon to California - if that says anything about them)

This particular motor has the engine cover mounts broken. This is the motor with the cover that hinges, where the right side of the motor remains covered and the cover flips up revealing the left side. It's going to cost about $100 to get the castings welded back on, but I may be able to find a later model engine pan and cover for less.

Does anyone know if I can mount a later model pan and cover on this motor, specifically the pan part. If I can get the pan on, I'm sure the cover will fit.

Fleetwin is a 7.5hp. The 15 is a Fastwin.

To get a different mounting system you would have to move up to a fiberglass hood, and no that won't fit at all. The flip-up aluminum hood was used through 1958 and they all use the same pan.

What's broken, the cylinder head and intake manifold? Or the hood itself? I would expect that replacement parts should be out there someplace for less than $100. A whole dang parts motor for that matter.

 

[robert644]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

It would seem so, but not on ebay, with prices about $150 for a head, not including shipping. Both the head casting and the intake casting are broken, the cover is fine. It's just the little support arms that are broken, the motor will (barring any other problems) run fine.

I don't think this motor has a pan, the cover just closes down around the bottom of the motor, it's been a couple years since I looked and I didn't pay attention to what's down when I was inspecting my current fastwin. I would prefer to put the fiberglass cover on the motor, as I intend to put the motor to constant use in the very rainy pacific nw. With the fiberglass cover I could put the head w/thermostat on the engine (not really necessary I suppose). I don't know if the starter sticks up to high though for fiberglass cover, and if the pan just uses the drive leg to block bolts, that is I just unscrew the block to drive leg bolts, slip the pan on, and replace w/ longer bolts?

 

[F_R]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

It would seem so, but not on ebay, with prices about $150 for a head, not including shipping. Both the head casting and the intake casting are broken, the cover is fine. It's just the little support arms that are broken, the motor will (barring any other problems) run fine.

I don't think this motor has a pan, the cover just closes down around the bottom of the motor, it's been a couple years since I looked and I didn't pay attention to what's down when I was inspecting my current fastwin. I would prefer to put the fiberglass cover on the motor, as I intend to put the motor to constant use in the very rainy pacific nw. With the fiberglass cover I could put the head w/thermostat on the engine (not really necessary I suppose). I don't know if the starter sticks up to high though for fiberglass cover, and if the pan just uses the drive leg to block bolts, that is I just unscrew the block to drive leg bolts, slip the pan on, and replace w/ longer bolts?

Somewhere I got the idea that you have a 1955. They had a pan. If it is older, that's a different story.

Whatever it is, the fiberglass cover simply won't even come close to being adaptable. It takes a different exhaust housing with rubber mounts for the lower cover.

 

[robert644]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

Thanks for the information! So if I went that route I would have to buy the exhaust leg as well. That becomes a little too much I think. I'm going to call around some of the places I have seen on this website for parts, and if nothing else, I'll just have the castings welded. It's 'only' going to be $100 - sigh.

I thought about making my own supports and bolting them to the head bolts, but it would be nice to not turn this engine into some kind of contraption of my imagination.

 

[F_R]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

Thanks for the information! So if I went that route I would have to buy the exhaust leg as well. That becomes a little too much I think. I'm going to call around some of the places I have seen on this website for parts, and if nothing else, I'll just have the castings welded. It's 'only' going to be $100 - sigh.

I thought about making my own supports and bolting them to the head bolts, but it would be nice to not turn this engine into some kind of contraption of my imagination.

Yeah, you have two threads going. In the other one you said it is a 1955. Maybe I'm not going nuts after all. 1955 has lower pans. Maybe it isn't really a '55?

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

There's not a hope in hell you'll get a late model fibreglass cowling onto an older no-pan model without major re-fabrication. It'd be way cheaper to find another engine. I picked up a '54 E15hp in May for $20 this year at a local AOMCI swap meet. With a new set of coils it ran tickety boo. I'd look there. They sell stuff for reasonable prices I find.

 

[Chinewalker]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

Before going further, get the model number off your motor. I have a lot of parts for the old 15s and might have a head and intake that would work for you...

 

[robert644]

Re: 1950's engine cover / pan - replace w/later model

Thanks Chinewalker,

The motor is model 15014, which I researched to find is a 1955 model. Looking at the motor last night, it did have an engine pan. I ended up running my previous 3 motors of this type without covers and I never thought of it, though I am sure I used it as a place to put spark plugs and catch whatever I dropped while working on the thing on the water.

I had thought that all these motors with this type of cover were that same. I was under the impression that they all used the same parts. I am still under the impression that the same parts were used until very recently. That I could take almost any modern part, specifically from the engine block, and swap it with an older motor, parts such as the head and intake manifold. Realizing that the cover mount castings on the head and intake are unique to the model I have. I thought I could take a modern 15 carburator and put it on my old motor to do away with the low and high speed adjusts.


samo_ott,

That is impressive you found a motor for $20. I paid $300 for this one and $100 for shipping. I don't know what repairs and maintanance costs I'll have before it's done though. It's a longshaft, which is nice, and probably a fresh water motor coming from the great lakes area. This motor isn't going to be for looking nice, I'm going to run this thing till it can't run no more to the point that when it comes time, I'm going to put new rings and bearings in it, if I can find them.