New Floor Board Design, & Materials

[jigngrub]

There's no such thing as 6.5 ounce Mat. there's 6.5 ounce cloth but with polyester resin you can't use cloth without chopped strand Mat first. what brand of resin are you using

If you go by the weight per square yard instead of the weight by square foot 3/4 oz. matt is about 6.5 oz.... 6.75 actually.

 

[Woodonglass]

Really, Hmm, never seen it advertised and SOLD that way. By the way, why would you tell someone to use more resin in a Poly layup. You only use the amount needed to wet out the glass. Any additional is just a waste and can actually weaken the layup! Is that something the Tin Boat Guys do on their layups??

 

[jigngrub]

Really, Hmm, never seen it advertised and SOLD that way. By the way, why would you tell someone to use more resin in a Poly layup. You only use the amount needed to wet out the glass. Any additional is just a waste and can actually weaken the layup! Is that something the Tin Boat Guys do on their layups??

This ad is selling 6.5 oz. csm:
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/pake...x-5-mtrs-chop-strand-mat-free-post/1019150986

... and this is why you don't usually see it sold by the weight per yard:

In the US, chopped strand mat is nearly always sold or specified in ounces per square foot. This is different than fiberglass cloth and fiberglass fabrics with oriented fiber layers (including woven cloth, stitched biaxial & triaxial fabrics, and the like). These are designated in ounces per square yard. When mat is attached to any of these fabrics (as in fabmat or biaxial with mat), the combined fabric is often called out in fabric weight. An example of this is our 738 Biaxial Fabric, which is a 1508 biaxial fabric with mat. This means 15 oz per sq yard of biaxial fabric plus an attached 0.8 oz per sq foot layer of mat.

Seams kinda funny they sell f'glass cloth by the weight per yard, but sell matt by weight per foot... and if you'll notice the quote say it's almost always sold by the weight per foot, not always.

I'll admit we don't use much poly resin on our tinnies, probably because it's pretty useless if you're not going to use matt or cloth with it... and who wants glass cloth or matt on their tinnies???

Something else we don't use much of on our tinnies is vegetable oil to try and preserve our wood, vegetable oild is mildew food and promotes mildew like nobody's business... who would want to turn their boat into a mildew farm because they used boiled linseed oil (vegetable oil)???

 

[Woodonglass]

It's obvious you've never done much of either!!!

 

[jigngrub]

It's obvious you've never done much of either!!!

That's probably because I don't work with substandard materials.

 

[Pusher]

This forum is pretty much why I ignored everyones advise not to dig into this project until further investigation. The stringers in my bellboy turned out to be made of formed fiberglass. While I've read poly doesn't bond well to epoxy, my glass seems rock solid. The fear of twisting that could snap stringers if the floor boards aren't solid would likely only be realized if I took a17' runabout into rough water (not going to happen). I do appreciate the advice thus far, but I've taken it with a grain of salt as some on here are obviously out to hang ribbons on thier chests. Please stick to the topic or pm eachother. I'm building a fishing boat not restoring the titanic.

 

[Woodonglass]

As you say, back on topic. What MFG, i.e. Brand of Resin and Chopped Strand Mat are you using. If you're buying it locally by the gallon from the Big Box Stores or some other Retail outlet then I highly suspect it has wax in it and it will need to applied and treated appropriately. I'm trying to get this information in order to give you the best advice for your build. Sorry for the Side Track. As stated before You must use CSM (Chopped Strand Mat) prior to laying down cloth. You need both when tabbing your deck to the sides of the hull.

 

[jigngrub]

Posting pics of your boat and the materials will help us help you best and will eliminate some of our questions as to your methods and materials. Posting pics of your work will be a big help with keeping your thread right on topic and will eliminate a lot of the speculation that is going on which can cause off topic banter... and as you can see, speculation on your method and materials is continuing to build.

It's your boat and you can build it any way you want, but if you're going to ask for advice you have to take the good with the bad... and like you said, take it all with a grain of salt.

... and believe it or not, we're all trying to help you in our own way. We want to help you build a safe and seaworthy boat you can be proud of. Yes, you're just repairing an old rotten fishing boat, but if not done correctly that sucker can sink right to the bottom of the ocean just like the Titanic did. We don't want that to happen.

 

[GA_Boater]

Pusher -

On behalf of iboats, we would like to apologize for the behavior shown in your topic. Please ignore the poor manners exhibited. It is not the way of iboats and it is unacceptable. Good luck with your project and please do keep us posted. And do not hesitate to ask questions as they arise.

iboats Moderation Team.

 

[Pusher]

http://instagram.com/p/uIxKZlyI-s/

 

[Pusher]

I take it iboats doesnt let you use instagram?

 

[DeepBlue2010]

iBoats has some technical limitations and challenges these days but it is still the best place on the net to get an expert advice on rebuilding/restoring old boats. I hope the tech team is working on the issues. Best of luck to you in your build.

 

[Woodonglass]

What are you trying to post?

 

[Pusher]

Agreed Deep Blue. Even trying to google boat forums will bring up iboats most of the time.

I was just trying to post pictures of the progress of the boat Wood on Glass. I'm pretty much done at this point.

 

[Woodonglass]

Based on what I've investigated on the Instagram interface I don't see a method of posting pics from it to the iBoats forum. I could be wrong, but I just don't see how it can be done. Maybe someone else with more techno savvy will come along and shoot me down!!

 

[Arawak]

.You'd need to find the URL for just the image. On some sites, a simple right click will offer "Copy image location" or something like that. These days sites like instagram use Javascript to render parts of the page, making it harder. Real browsers (i.e. not IE) will let you "inspect element to see the guts of the page. The Firebug plugin is also good for this. With some patience, you can find the actual URL of the image.

But, you're still not home free, because many sites will block access to images based on the referer (sic). This means that if you try to take an image from their site and show it in someone else's they will block the access.

So, to summarize, it's easiest to get a Photobucket or similar account. I have been using my Google+ Photos section which seems to work.

 

[jc55]

 

[Pusher]

This forum is pretty much why I ignored everyones advise not to dig into this project until further investigation. The stringers in my bellboy turned out to be made of formed fiberglass. While I've read poly doesn't bond well to epoxy, my glass seems rock solid. The fear of twisting that could snap stringers if the floor boards aren't solid would likely only be realized if I took a17' runabout into rough water (not going to happen). I do appreciate the advice thus far, but I've taken it with a grain of salt as some on here are obviously out to hang ribbons on thier chests. Please stick to the topic or pm eachother. I'm building a fishing boat not restoring the titanic.

@WoodOnGlass
@JigNRub
@GA_Boater

I Came here with misconceptions about forums in general. I became impatient with my project and the time I had available two years ago. I allowed that impatience, my age, and misconceptions to show through and be projected on both of you. Two years after starting this thread, I would like to apologize. You have both clearly been very helpful to everyone as often as you can. I've appreciated your help to both myself and others where I have gleaned more info than I would have ever googling from seller site... Etc.

I would like to cook this crow up and apologize.

Thanks for all the help!!! (Over the years....Yikes.... YEARS already!)

 

[kcassells]

Well hows the boat going? Just wondering....:joyous:

 

[sphelps]

Welcome back !