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buford48

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I have a deck boat project that has a 24 volt trolling motor.The charging system is 12 volt. Looking for wiring diagram to charge as two 12 volt batteries.
 

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Hi
I have a deck boat project that has a 24 volt trolling motor.The charging system is 12 volt. Looking for wiring diagram to charge as two 12 volt batteries.

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Your not going to be able to change the motor from 24 to 12V. Now you can add a 24/12 volt battery charger. It's either that or charge as 12V and then connect as 24V when using the trolling motor. Keep in mind don't use your starting battery as part of your trolling motor setup. Going to need two batteries for trolling and one for starting
 
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Barnacle_Bill

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If you are using 3 batteries as mentioned an on-board 3 bank charger will do the job.
 

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If its a outboard without the 40amp charging system its pretty much out of the question as they down have enough charging amps to do much. I install the Dualpro unit on my customers and if a Merc use 1 of the rect/reg to provide 20amps to unit....
http://www.dualpro.com/products/chargeontherun/
 
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smokeonthewater

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You CAN charge both trolling motor batteries with 12 volt but it requires switching from series to parallel
https://www.google.com/search?q=seri...utf-8&oe=utf-8


OR http://www.yandina.com/troll24info.htm


That said, unless you run around for many hours on the gas engine and only use the trolling motor for a couple minutes, It's a waste of time and money.... The outboard will does good just to recharge it's own battery after starting and will do very little charging of the deep cycle batts....

What you need is a 2 or 3 bank on board charger and plug it into 110v to charge.
 
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gm280

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The only true way to be able to charge a 24 volt setup is with a 24 volt charger. Otherwise you will have to charge battery one until it is charged and then battery two until it is fully charged using a standard 12 volt charger. The real problem with a 24 volt setup is you seriously really never know if both batteries are really charged to their max because of the series setup. That same problem exist with battery powered drills and such. While the charger charges the 18 volt pack (or whatever the volt would be), you don't know if every battery in the series string is charged to it's max. Some batteries can even reverse charge and therefore make an otherwise long running series pack run out of juice quickly... So a better Idea is to charge each 12 volt battery by it's self... In a 24 volt charging system your charger would shut off at a peak charge but are both batteries fully charged? Peak detect chargers won't let you know! It just realizes a peak and stops.
 

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Don't know of anyone making single stage battery chargers these days
 

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AllDodge, when I was still working, my Engineering team was tasked with building a better "mousetrap" (battery charger) for a unique battery pack used onboard certain aircraft. And while that battery pack was NiCad in design, we studied and learned so much about batteries in general. Seem NiCad's specifically, charge to what is called a "knee over" point. Basically as the batteries charge they get to a point of increasing voltage and then drop back just a little indicating a full charge. So we used a microcontroller to sample the voltage every couple of times a second and store that reading. Then after X numbers of stored reading we averaged them to see if the battery pack reached their knee-over point. And this continued for the entire charging process. Once the knee-over was reached, the charging system switched over to a monitoring system. So depending on the capability of any NiCad pack in existence, their fully charged knee-over could be slightly different then any other pack or that same pack previously. So there wasn't any preset voltage point that had to be reached to indicate a fully charged battery pack that we see used in most battery chargers. In other words each battery could have its own peak knee-over voltage point (fully charged) and not some predetermined set voltage that so often cooks batteries with normal charging algorithm that rely on continually charging until that set voltage is reached. That is an accident waiting to happen so many times... Are design made it so much safer to use that the battery packs actually started gaining amperage capability back to their original capacities. We interfaced this charger circuits via a digitizer (UE9 Lab Jack) to our computers and could actually see the knee-over curves so easily...
 

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Lead acid batteries don't have the same charge profile as NiCds do. That's why the 3 phase chargers are used for them.
 

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So depending on the capability of any NiCad pack in existence, their fully charged knee-over could be slightly different then any other pack or that same pack previously. So there wasn't any preset voltage point that had to be reached to indicate a fully charged battery pack that we see used in most battery chargers. In other words each battery could have its own peak knee-over voltage point (fully charged) and not some predetermined set voltage that so often cooks batteries with normal charging algorithm that rely on continually charging until that set voltage is reached. .

Back in the day when people ran nicd's in RC gear, we did something similar, except via closely monitoring the temperature of the cell. We called it 'peak' charging and detection, but it is the same as what you refer to as knee-over. There is a very slight temperature delta increase when it hits peak, at which point the charger has to change behaviour to not cook the pack.
 

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There are also 24v battery chargers that will run on much lower voltage, 10-15 volts in this case. This doesn't require any complicated wiring or switching the batteries into parallel. It is just a high frequency charger with a transformer.

http://www.powerstream.com/WC.htm
 

mike165

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In OZ Redarc make a 12/24 invertor charger I have one in my Bayliner 215-5.7L handling a MInkota 24v on the leg
 

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There are a bunch of 12V to 24V chargers out there. Just depends on what you want to spend. For around $100 it will be around 5A or $400 for 40A.
http://www.sterling-power-usa.com/li...ct%20Sheet.pdf

Depends on how long you run your motor. If you aren't running it long, might as well just use a 2 bank charger off 110AC when you get to your dock.
 
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