2009 f90tlra no fire

tr-21

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Motor fires sometimes and won't sometimes tried unhooking main plug to ignition still does the same
 

will941s

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Check connections coming from under the flywheel, there is a optical sensor by the flywheel that signals it to fire when the pads on the flywheel pass it that relate to the cylinders. If that sensor begins to degrade it could cause these symptoms. If you unplugged the main harness while it's running and it still did it, you've isolated all your issues to the motor it's self. Stator (under the flywheel) puts out AC current, which is converted to DC power from the voltage regulator. stator will provide your running electricity as well as charging power. While underway. If it should fail, in theory your motor should still operate for a few seconds from the battery it's self provided it has 12V, until it drops below; let's say 11.7V. Your ignition module, ECM, hp fuel pump, injectors, etc (everything required to run) has to have 12V constantly to operate. Good place to start, start the motor, grab a voltage gauge and start testing at the starter solenoid 1st. That's one of the first places your power is going to from the regulator. Should be around 12.8-13.4V while running at idle. Look for servere voltage drops. From there start testing voltage on the red wires (battery) and yellow (12v running) until you locate excactly what is losing power when it shuts down
 

tommarvin

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I would get a Lisle 50850 spark tester, set the gap at 3/8 inch, do you have spark on any plug wires? This is a typical ignition problem .

CDI electronics. com explains it perfectly. Go to CDI type in your year, make, HP and what coil do I need, your coil will come up they have trouble shooting for all ignition parts, sometimes you don't need testing tools, always start testing the coil first, then power pack, trigger,then stator.

If you have EFI there is software to diagnose problems, and log maintance, costs 65 bucks for a Yamaha, Borrow a laptop or tablet, the cables included.
 

tr-21

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Check connections coming from under the flywheel, there is a optical sensor by the flywheel that signals it to fire when the pads on the flywheel pass it that relate to the cylinders. If that sensor begins to degrade it could cause these symptoms. If you unplugged the main harness while it's running and it still did it, you've isolated all your issues to the motor it's self. Stator (under the flywheel) puts out AC current, which is converted to DC power from the voltage regulator. stator will provide your running electricity as well as charging power. While underway. If it should fail, in theory your motor should still operate for a few seconds from the battery it's self provided it has 12V, until it drops below; let's say 11.7V. Your ignition module, ECM, hp fuel pump, injectors, etc (everything required to run) has to have 12V constantly to operate. Good place to start, start the motor, grab a voltage gauge and start testing at the starter solenoid 1st. That's one of the first places your power is going to from the regulator. Should be around 12.8-13.4V while running at idle. Look for servere voltage drops. From there start testing voltage on the red wires (battery) and yellow (12v running) until you locate excactly what is losing power when it shuts down

thanks good info
 

tr-21

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I would get a Lisle 50850 spark tester, set the gap at 3/8 inch, do you have spark on any plug wires? This is a typical ignition problem .

CDI electronics. com explains it perfectly. Go to CDI type in your year, make, HP and what coil do I need, your coil will come up they have trouble shooting for all ignition parts, sometimes you don't need testing tools, always start testing the coil first, then power pack, trigger,then stator.

If you have EFI there is software to diagnose problems, and log maintance, costs 65 bucks for a Yamaha, Borrow a laptop or tablet, the cables included.

thank you I will check that web. site
 

Capt Ken

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Ok, first you cannot test this engine like older two strokes. You have to have a harness plugged in because the ECM has to have power to work. You need a diagnostic computer to trouble shoot the engine. Otherwise you are just chasing your tail.
 

will941s

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Software may show you a trouble code or a malfunctioning circuit, but more often than not it's not going to be that in depth. If the computer did record the failure on the individual part, you've still got to be crafty with a volt meter to properly diagnose the issue the rest of the way.
 

tr-21

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Ok, first you cannot test this engine like older two strokes. You have to have a harness plugged in because the ECM has to have power to work. You need a diagnostic computer to trouble shoot the engine. Otherwise you are just chasing your tail.

thanks for info
 

tr-21

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Software may show you a trouble code or a malfunctioning circuit, but more often than not it's not going to be that in depth. If the computer did record the failure on the individual part, you've still got to be crafty with a volt meter to properly diagnose the issue the rest of the way.

thank you
 

Capt Ken

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With the diagnostic system, you can fire each cylinder and operate each injector. That engine doesn't use the stator for ignition power. Check the simple things first, kill lanyard and key switch.
 

tommarvin

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I'm new to diagnostic software for EFI, it's very detailed which injector is plugged its this injector, which coil is broken, I've never used it but this is what the shops use. You don't need a special computer, you just need to borrow any laptop or tablet to read the software that costs only 65 buck the cable is included and service manuals and other stuff. Plug it in and fix the problem, don't you just love them, one reason Yamahas are the finest outboards on earth
 
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