bulk oil-not an oil war question!

82rude

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Am I to assume most dealers have a bulk oil supply?By bring in you own gallon containers what is the savings over prepackaged?My specific case would be xd-50 or maybe even xd-100 evinrude.The U.S. border is 2 minutes away for me so do you guys find that with the oil prices as low as they are its being reflected in lower 2 stroke oil prices ?
 

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The world price of crude is only reflected in fuel prices. The remaining oil products are still priced the same, including 2 stroke oil.

You'll have to check with some dealers if they sell from their bulk supply. Some may and some may only sell the prepackaged oil.
 

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Why is that ?Fuel and motor oil all comes from refining a barrel of oil.One would think that if your paying less for your base oil then the cost of making the end product would be less?Now it might just be timing but at wally world penzoil 2 stroke went from 20 to 16.99.Maybe its only Canada but if oil jumps up the price for a litre of oil follows pretty darn quickly behind.
 

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Oil goes on sale. That's why it dropped 3 bucks.

Gas goes up and down depending on the price of crude because it is used faster, so the feedstock price is reflected in the price of gas. Motor oil is entirely different. It's refined, packaged, stored, transported and sold in a completely different manner. The supply line is much longer for non-fuel oil products and the price doesn't change much, if at all, except for on sale products.
 

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Sort of understand were your coming from .As for the wallyworld Pennzoil its now regular at 17 .36 vs 19.99 a year ago so I doubt that's a sale but an adjustment in pricing as its been that price for a while now .So what your saying GA is that you havnt seen any downward pricing of 2 stroke ?Can anybody else chime in on bulk vs prepackaged?Im sure somebody buys bulk and am curious if your saving a lot or just a little?As an example lets oil x is 30 a gallon prepacked at the dealer,if you brought your own containers and bought the oil from their drum would it be 20 or 25 ?I would also think you would have to find a dealer willing to sell it bulk also?Sorry guy,i got this stupid question stuck in my mind from last night and its not letting go even though for the amount of oil I use in my etec 60 for a year its pretty minimal compared to a lot of you guys .
 
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Don't forget it's not boating season, so the sale price could be long term or it's off-season pricing. Wally does that, even down here.
 

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I'm not clear on what your asking.

Are you asking if a boat/marine dealer buys oil in bulk for use in their shop when servicing motors? possibly yes, but except for the largest service places, the bulk pricing is probably on the volume of cases of the gallon sized containers

If a dealer would sell you a gallon or 2 of their bulk oil if you brought your own containers to put it in?Not likely, but maybe in a small mom and pop kind of place where you know the guy

Whether a dealer would discount service work if you brought in your own oil?perhaps, but probably not enough to off-set the purchase price of the oil you bought to bring

And the cost savings on any of the above because of fluctuating crude prices?Dealers arent likely to be the ones seeing that cost savings, even if there was any. The distributors and refiners would be the ones to capture that savings

And as GA said, long slow supply chain compared to fuel and fuel oil.

And I wouldnt put it past the retailer you mentioned to have used their sheer size and purchasing volume to demand a better wholesale price so that they could reduce the retail price to the consumer. If only to be the low cost retailer.

FYI retailers use specific numbers in their pricing models to designate different pricing schedules. The 99cents portion from a year ago indicates it was normal retail then. The 36cents or the 6cents on the current price, even if its been that for more then a year, could indicate something. I dont work for them so I cant tell you for sure why its priced that way but its a common practice to use certain numbers to designate a change. Perhaps the 36cents means they bought way more Pennzoil then they should have and are trying to off load it at a lower price. The 6cents could also mean that they intend to discontinue selling that particular oil for whatever reason and want to move product.

$1.63 a gallon isnt a small chang, theres a reason it dropped. Even if the Pennzoil refined now is available at a savings, the retailer bought, or agreed to buy, whats on the shelf, in stores and at the warehouse, long time ago at a price set then.

Who knows, maybe Pennzoil is going to revamp the packaging and they are the ones discounting the price to retailers.

Just like cars, gotta move the current inventory because the newest ones are headed to stores.
 

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Well, I tell you one thing I refuse to pay Canadian pricing for oil for sure.Heres a couple of examples ,are you sitting down?xd-100 evinrude 52 dollars plus 13 percent tax ,xd 50 45 plus the same tax!Im sure glad the last gallon of xd-50 was given to me for free by a buddy .Any 2 stoke semi or full synth demands a 4 to a 6 as the first number up here in lulu land .All my questions were answered by jbcurt00,thanks guys .I believe I will go back to Pennzoil xlf semi as I and my motor liked it .
 
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I would call around before throwing in the towel.
Just about every dealer / marina around here sells bulk oil using customer supplied jugs.

I've not checked this year, but last years it was $24.95 a gallon, tax included
 

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I am patiently waiting for the Wallyworld 2 cycle oil to go on sale. It is currently $12.99/gal. The Pennzoil XLF goes on sale often for $17.99, at the 'world.
 

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I am patiently waiting for the Wallyworld 2 cycle oil to go on sale. It is currently $12.99/gal. The Pennzoil XLF goes on sale often for $17.99, at the 'world.

Pennzoil at the Soo Michigan Wallyworld has been 17 or less fore at least all summer.I do wonder about the Supertec oil though (warren oil).
 
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