Buying my first boat, questions regarding skinny water at dock

nycdad

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Hello all

This is my first post here - and a cross post from another forum (where it was recommended I ask here). I have searched and (probably not surprisingly) I am getting lots of conflicting information on my question. But anyway here goes:

I am the new owner of a home on the east end of LI, on a cove off of the Peconic Bay. My home has a dock and will be getting my first boat, most likely used but open to all options. Size I'm looking at is up to 25', either a bowrider or a deck boat.

Primary use will be cruising around between the forks, Riverhead to Montauk (but no further) with friends and family. For those of you who know this area, the water can get a little choppy but it's usually fairly smooth and calm.

So far so good... the big issue is that the depth at my dock can range between 3 feet and 1 foot between high and low tides. On a Spring tide (especially a Perigean like a few weeks back), the dock only has a few inches of water at low tide but this only happens occasionally.... usually it's a foot or so at the stern end of the dock at low tide. The bottom is soft and muddy. People around the cove all have boats in this size range, many are outboards but some sterndrives as well. When the tide is low, some of their boats will sit in the mud and when tides are at their lowest, will even tilt a bit towards the dock. My neighbor has a 26' Cobalt sterndrive and she said that hers sits on the mud once in a while but isn't a huge issue for her. Across the way some guy has a large Hinckley and I'm shocked to see it sometimes sitting at a serious angle as it lies on the bottom! But for the most part the boats seem to be perpendicular to the dock but I know they are touching bottom.

Here is what I want to know....

1) is a sterndrive an option for me? Love these the best but worried about the low tide issue. What are the true risks here, because I really had my heart set on the I/O.
2) if I have a stern drive I guess I'd need to dock it in the fully trimmed (trailer?) position to keep the engine off the bottom during the low tide? How bad is this? The boat will be on the dry in the winter, and I don't mind keeping it maintained for a few bucks each year.
3) If a stern drive is not an option, then I have to choose I guess between an outboard and a Jet. Is it OK to dock the Outboard fully in the up position and have the boat sit in the mud (guess I don't have a choice)?

What else should I be considering? Thanks in advance for your suggestion and advice and looking forward to participating on the forums.


 

JonBrown

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Here in Texas and in Louisiana we have shallow mud issues. The vessel needs bottom paint first of all. And if the prop is in the mud or churning mud exiting the dock it may effect the water pump and or place mud in your coolant system. Mud generally sits in the exhaust manifolds when this occurs. I would recommend a inexpensive boat lift. They are cheap versus a trip to the mechanic. And a little money each year ? Welcome to the boat world. There is no such thing as a little money and a boat. Stern drive sounds about right. You do not want to have props and shafts in the mud. And that kind of vessel may require a little boating experience before you go that far. Jets are a good choice although it is kind of the same about churning mud with a jet drive. Preferably protect your investment and no boat should be on its bottom mud or rocks. I have un stuck a few boats that became suctioned in the mud. When the water rises it may stay on the bottom. Say in the time of a storm surge. Then the vessel is destroyed or my bill becomes more than the total value. Maybe a small lift at the end of your dock where the water is consistent. You can include those in the purchase of your home usually. And if you need repairs , in my case I go to the boat if it is in a sling. Most there will do the same. The only boat made to those conditions is a air boat. And I do not recommend that for a new boater. I hope this helps..
Jon
 

fhhuber

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or extend dock to deeper water... if its allowed (permits permits permits....)

That may be a short distance and very practical.... or it may mean a very long dock which isn't practical at all.

Or call in a dredger ... if allowed.
 

thumpar

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You may want to consider something in the 17-19' range as a first boat. Those bigger boats are not easy to handle if you don't have boating experience. Once you get to 20' it is a whole different animal. The smaller ones will have a lower draft too so would help with the shallow water. It doesn't have to be your last boat but would get you on the water and figure out what you may want later.
 

redneck joe

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Welcome to the forum.



I'd do an outboard if no options for dredge, lift, extend dock, etc.
 

NYBo

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Welcome to iboats!:welcome:

I also recommend an outboard. I would also recommend looking at dual console boats. They have floor plans like bowriders but with greater freeboard and deadrise to handle the rough stuff better.
 

spoilsofwar

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Whatever you do, please don't model yourself after or take advise from someone who is leaving an I/O Cobalt in the mud at low tide.... I died a little inside reading that. And then the Hinckley... Omg, I want to cry.
 

JonBrown

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I agree with spoilsofwar.. I replied after reading that. If I see a customer care for his boat like that I would decline to service it. That would be a disregard of a luxury most cannot afford . I have seen guys with john boats and they almost wax them after each use. and then guys with yachts who allow them to sink. Caring for a vessel is like caring for a horse or collector car. It takes will,devotion and a little of the green money stuff. Figure out a way to properly protect your investment then buy the boat. And also Thumpar said 20' and above is different. Believe him. Docking a 5-8,000 lb boat is hard for a 1st timer and experience goes a long way. Remember, 200+ HP and no brakes.
 

redneck joe

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I agree with spoilsofwar.. I replied after reading that. If I see a customer care for his boat like that I would decline to service it. That would be a disregard of a luxury most cannot afford . I have seen guys with john boats and they almost wax them after each use. and then guys with yachts who allow them to sink. Caring for a vessel is like caring for a horse or collector car. It takes will,devotion and a little of the green money stuff. Figure out a way to properly protect your investment then buy the boat. And also Thumpar said 20' and above is different. Believe him. Docking a 5-8,000 lb boat is hard for a 1st timer and experience goes a long way. Remember, 200+ HP and no brakes.




Good post
 

JonBrown

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Thank you Redneck,
I think new boat owners or 1st timers should go to the marina at a lake and watch the mistakes made. It is hilarious and dangerous.
I refuse to take my Liberator to the lake after watching the danger. No one cares about boating rules, safety and they only enforce life jackets, DUI & registration. All important and also all a income to the sheriffs dept. What most do not understand is that when you drive a vessel of any size , you are responsible for damages and or injuries 100% financial and even jail when a life threatening or taking becomes a issue. My chris craft weighs 25 tons, Touch a fuel dock the wrong way and the whole dock is under and the cleanup can hit as high as a million. I have insurance and experience. But experience is the key. Anyway I got off subject. I recommend a small boat and learn boating rules. Become a gentleman on the water and what you will teach yourself will make you able to handle a ship in a matter of a short time. You will drive it with pride and experience. And your passengers will be and feel safe. And us mechanics will be able to maintain your vessel not rebuild it constantly. There are some very good videos on youtube/Boats.US for driving,docking,safety,trim etc. Things you should know before you buy. A cold beer and a video kinda rocks.
Jon
 

roffey

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Would a boat lift work? I have one at my dock and it works well. I just drive the boat on and hoist the boat up just above the water line. I am in a bay on a large lake. Here in Ontario Canada a large lake is 20 miles long, not sure if that counts in the States.
 

JonBrown

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Out of the mud always works no matter how you achieve it. Laying in the mud makes me cry a little. If it was mine I would be ballistic! I have been stuck in a low tide before. It just sucks. But if you know it will happen then that is different..
 

H20Rat

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Welcome to iboats!:welcome:

I also recommend an outboard. I would also recommend looking at dual console boats. They have floor plans like bowriders but with greater freeboard and deadrise to handle the rough stuff better.


I was thinking the opposite! Because it has more deadrise, it also has more draft. In the OP's case, that could be a big problem. I'm thinking more of a bay/flats boat with nearly a flat bottom. Yeah, it won't do well in rough seas, so it is a tradeoff.
 
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