Trim Tabs

ae708

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WEll.. I finally got around to ordering my Smart Tabs yesterday. Hopefully I'll find the time to install them soon after they arrive. I can't wait to see what effect they'll have on my boat. Now if that damned lake will stay calm. Lake Marion is so shallow that it gets rough with the slightest wind. Gotta find a better place to go boating.
 

Jdeagro

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Re: Trim Tabs

Thanks for giving Smart Tabs a try. Please let us know what your results are. By the way the rough lake should be easier to handle with the trim tabs. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to call. Remember, if the boat does not run as fast as before it only means that you need to adjust the pressure setting to less pressure. Read the instructrionand diagrams as this adjustment is simple and only done on the plate bracket. should not take more than 5 minutes.
 

Mr.Ladyfish

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Re: Trim Tabs

I can vouch for the improved handling in rough water. We've had higher than normal winds all spring causing the bay to be very rough. The trim tabs have made a world of difference in my boat. <br /><br />I lost a couple of MPH at first but after adjusting the pressure setting as John recommended I got it back plus a little.
 

ae708

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Re: Trim Tabs

Gonna be in Florida from Friday till Monday. I'll have to install them next week and hopefully get to the lake on the weekend. Of course I could sneak off about midweek all by myself.... no wife, no kid...maybe that's the ticket.
 

LubeDude

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Re: Trim Tabs

Like NautiJohn said, if you are haing any problem AT ALL do not hesitate contacting him. He will bend all the way ovr backwards to help you, and do whatever it takes to make you happy. I know, been there done that.
 

mollyog74

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Re: Trim Tabs

I have a 2004 FW 230 horizon. I was told that the hull of the boat was not designed to accomodate trim tabs. Does anybody know anything about that. I think if we could add trim tabs it would not only help with water skiing, but going out in the ocean as well
 

Northern Eclipse

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A boating friend of mine has a 2003 FW190, I can't see how its possible to put tabs on, not much height between the bottom on the hull, to the underside on the pods to mount the rams, but he does not seem to think he needs tabs since boat plane goods and does not list, but then again he does have a 225hp MPI 4.3 V6 Merc, I'v been the boat and I agree with him.
 

bubbakat

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Well I am like 708 I have a mass crappie hole on a lake here but it is shallow and you put 5 boats on it and everyone breathing at the same time it will white cap.<br />With all that said I will be ordering them probably tonight.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by mollyog74:<br /> I have a 2004 FW 230 horizon. I was told that the hull of the boat was not designed to accomodate trim tabs. Does anybody know anything about that. I think if we could add trim tabs it would not only help with water skiing, but going out in the ocean as well
Show us a picture of the back of your boat.
 

Jdeagro

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Mollyog74;<br /><br />There are many new hull designs which are aimed at improving the ride, handling, planing ability etc. of small boats. Some are good, some miss the mark. However, all of this work points out that something needs to be done. The question is why? <br /><br />Just about every boat 26 feet and up has trim tabs for a number of reasons. 1) the power to weight ratio is less than the 18 ft boat with a 220 I/O so it is a bit harder to plane. 2) the boat attitude port to starboard needs control because it is wider. etc.<br /><br />The fact is that smaller boats have the same handling issues. Yes they have enough HP to plane when given agressive throttle, but even then other issues such as porpoising, chine walk, listing, etc. occur. Not to mention thhe poor performance when trying to pull a tube or skier.<br /><br />Why do small boat manufacturers focus on special hull designes, or simply say "our boats don't need trim tabs"? Why do boaters continually change props to find the best pitch / performance for their activity. Why do people buy Hydrofoils?<br />Or Smart Tabs?<br /><br />Because these boats need something more regardless of what the boat salesman says. <br /><br />Understand that we are not talking about the MasterCrafts or pro ski boats where the engine is in the center of the boat. We are talking about the millions of small boats which a stern heavy because the engine is in the back.<br /><br />The fact is that when the hull is fixed ( rigid ) regardless of the design, it's ability to perform effectively under all of the different conditions is limited. <br /><br />When trim tabs are added to the hull, they become an extention of the hull. They also allow the hull to change design (configuration) to suit the changing conditions ( speed, water, load, etc.).<br />Any rigid hull will have it's limitations, some more some less.<br /><br />Why then don't manufacturers put trim tabs on smaller boats? <br /><br />1) the cost of helm controlled (traditional) tabs is high when compared to the cost of the boat.<br />2) this is more importanr - Safety - Small fast light boats will react very quickly to any minor change in tabs possition. It can be a liability issue in the hand of an boater not familiar with tabs, or the 7 year old who is helping Dad drive the boat. (Smart Tabs are self adjsuting, automatic, and designed for the smaller boats.)<br /><br />Your boat will accomodate tabs and you are welcome to call me if you would like some advise as to where to mount them.
 

mollyog74

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Re: Trim Tabs

Thanks Nauti,<br /><br />You must work in the business. Can you tell me the difference between different brand names of trim tabs, and the diff between self adjusting and not. <br /><br />We havent tried pulling up a skier just yet as the boat is new to us. However we are having quite a bit of problems with the ocean, both with porpoising, and handling the swells. Some of it is just the fact that ocean navigating/driving is new to us, and some of the problem may be the boat itself. We are not sure just yet. But we would like to try the tabs to see if this works. One of my hubby's concerns however is a decrease in top speed. Do you think this is a valid concern? Also, is there any company out there that has some kinda satisfaction guarantee?
 

Jdeagro

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Hi Molly;<br /><br />Yes I am in the business, we manufacture "Smart Tabs".<br /><br />There are three types of trim tabs: <br />1) Fixed Trim Tabs that are set upon installation to a specific angle. They can not and do not adjust when the boat is in opporation. Cost is About $77.00<br />2) Helm controlled trim tabs, are either all electric or electric over hydraulic. When running the boat these tabs can be adjusted via buttons or switches from the helm. Much in the same way that flaps on airplane wings work. They do a fine job of adjusting the boat attitude, as required, and during boat opporation. Typical cost for a set to fit a smaller boat(22 feet and up to 26 feet) is $375.00 to $475.00<br />Some of the manufacturors also offer auto control devices for their tabs which addes another $300 or so.<br /><br />3) Smart Tabs for you boat range in price from various retailers between $167. and $199. These are automatic, self adjusting, and constantly active similar to a suspension system on a car.<br /><br />They are specifically designed for the smaller boats where the use of the boat is for water sports such as fishing , skiing, tubing etc. These activities require the pilot to do multiple tasks and controlling the tabs from the helm may become too much.<br /><br />Again if you would like to search this site for information on all of the above you will find plenty to read. If you wish to call 800-233-0194 i would be pleased to answer questions.
 

mollyog74

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ok I found it, thanks for the info. You stated that smart tabs mainly for watersports. Will they help with ocean and swells as well?
 

dingbat

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My concern with smart tabs are how they would react to a following sea. I would think they would have a tendency to "stuff" you from time to time.
 

Jdeagro

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Dingbat & Molly;<br /><br />Although we are now in Ohio, I spent 27 years boating off the Southern California Coast, and the majority of product testing was done in the ocean. We lived on water in Huntington Harbour, CA.<br /><br />I can assure you that Smart Tabs will not "stuff" the nose (push the bow down) in following seas, unless improperly sized or adjusted. Infact hydrofoils will have more of an impact in this area than Smart Tabs simply because they are not adjustable or regulated.<br /><br />I have addressed this topic in great detail on this site earlier this year. If you would like to discuss this call 800-233-0194. As a simple matter of information, the lift from Samrt Tabs is less once the boat is on plane.<br /><br />As for handling in ocean waters, they will react to the conditions in the same manner as they would in Lakes or rivers. It would be no different than your car on a city street Vs. a freeway. <br /><br />Molly;<br /><br />The best way to understand boat handling is to go boating (experience). Just pay attention, and be carefull.
 

mollyog74

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Thanks nauti,<br /><br />My husband will be calling you sometime next week. He is currently worshiping the porcelin goddess right now after a touch of food poisoning. Poor guy.<br /><br />Here is my biggest fear, and I know I just have to get over it...drilling holes in my brand new boat. Yikes! Silly, but scary none the less. My husband does a good job with everything he touches, I can't help but worry anyway. (He won't be happy with me when he reads this). All you men out there, you know how your wives get. Its in our genes.
 
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