Manifold Temperature on a 3.0L Mercruiser? What is too hot?

enginesilo

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What is too hot for an exhaust manifold on a 3.0L engine? I'm testing on the hose, not in the water. What is a common temperature for the manifold on a 3.0L to get up to?

The thermostat seems to kick in around 175 and brings the temp down to 160 as it normally does, and it cycles between that. I checked around the engine with an IR thermometer and most of the block is around 150-160 with the hottest spot being near the spark plugs around 170 at its hottest. However, right where the manifold meets the block (On the block side), I was getting temperatures closer to 200-225 degrees. Seems like it is hottest closest to the thermostat side, and it gets cooler as it goes back with the temp towards the back in the 150 range. Is it normal for this to be the hottest spot and is this normal, or is this too hot? The manifold itself is under 170 anywhere I check and even cooler in some spots depending on where I check it. It is just that area right on the block side where the block meets the manifold, maybe 1/2" into the block side. The riser was changed last year and runs cool as a clam, always under 100 degrees, and the water exiting is able to be touched and is not that hot.

So most of the engine is within the 150-170 range, its only this one area on the upper block where it meets the exhaust manifold. Is this spot on the block where it meets the manifold way too high temperature wise, or is the exhaust temperature right at this spot expected to be higher since its right where its entering the manifold? Or is this a sign my manifold is in bad shape? The manifold is definitely old, but I was considering changing at a later time since I don't have the time to do it now.

I do slip the boat all season in salt water. I changed the riser last year, and I pulled it last week to inspect and I was surprised that the manifold still looked decent, at least where it meets the riser. They are original and about 10 years old. On the outside, it looks brand new, no rust. I know these rot from the inside out though. Attached is a picture of what the manifold looks like.
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The thermostat seems to show temperature as normal in the 160-175 range as it cycles.

Another forum member mentioned it may be ok since the water jackets don't run in this area, but I'm not sure if 200+ is TOO hot for any area of the motor.

I may try to bring it to the launch and put it in the water and see if I get the same temps. Its just that one area that seems hotter than the rest so it has me concerned.

Is it normal for temperatures to be higher in this area, or am I in trouble?

I want to get using the boat this weekend, or I'll just need to hold off and change the manifold.
All opinions appreciated!
Thanks!
 
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achris

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...Another forum member mentioned it may be ok since the water jackets don't run in this area, but I'm not sure if 200+ is TOO hot for any area of the motor....

That would be me... :D Temperature of combustion is around 1,000°F, So only being 200+ right next to the port is not so bad.

Take you IR gun and point it at the same position on your car's engine. I'll bet it's significantly higher than 200°F.

Chris.........
 

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Wonder why 2 of the bolts holes are obscure?
Also the manifold looks like it has been leaking, the surfaces should be smooth

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achris

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Wonder why 2 of the bolts holes are obscure?

The design of those elbows.


Also the manifold looks like it has been leaking, the surfaces should be smooth...

Looks like just a bit of surface rust. Seen that many times.. Bit of fine emery on a brickie's float will sort that out...

Chris.........
 

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Looks like just a bit of surface rust. Seen that many times.. Bit of fine emery on a brickie's float will sort that out...

Ayuh,.... or a belt sander,....

enginesilo,.... I'm glad ya started a thread, as I just delete pm's 'bout motor questions,.....

That's what these forums are for,..... ;)
 

achris

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Ayuh,.... or a belt sander,....

I have found difficulty getting a belt sander into the boat and doing the gasket faces... That's why I prefer the brickie's float... :D :D :D
 

Lou C

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Those sealing surfaces look eroded and there seems to be a bit of rust in the center exhaust passage. But, for 10 years in salt water they look really good! To be on the safe side I'd remove the manifold and test it with acetone (be careful, flammable). Acetone will leak through smaller spaces than water will. You can use a belt sander to mill flat the sealing surfaces before reinstalling. Here in the salt pond we pretty much replace them by 7 years though.
 

Lou C

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Here's a pic of my original OMC one piece V6 exhaust manifolds, this is after 5.5 seasons in Long Island Sound region salt water. One exit port was clogged, and while you can clean them out, there will be flaking rust higher up that can fall off and wind up in an exhaust port. I'm now running the later OMC/Volvo center riser 2 piece exhaust.
 

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So it appears this is my exact concern on my 1975 Mercruiser 165 6cly. The temp gauge on the dash is not reliable after I replaced the old temp sender on the block. So I use an IR gun to check engine temps on muffs and on lake. It seems to be in normal operating range. Around 150 to 160ish. However, around my engine block, this exact spot you describe is above 200 and it concerns me. I haven't found anything else regarding this online and it has not been directly answered here. But I would like to know if this is normal or is my manifold junk?

Engine was rebuilt in 2014 and everything replaced including manifold and impeller. Water shoots our of the exhaust bellows strongly. So this is just confusing to me.

Amir, please do NOT hijack other peoples threads. please start your own.
 
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