1969 Johnson 6R69M Lower Unit Leak.

cprodave

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While repairing Lower Unit for milky gear oil I discovered the Prop Shaft has in-and-out play of about 2mm. The run-out is near-zero, i.e. no bent Prop Shaft. Is this in-and-out play normal vs. indicative of bad Thrust Washer, etc? The Gear Oil Fill Plugs seem ok although the washers on Plugs are clearly not original (mechanic probably replaced washers a couple years ago while changing Water Pump). I appreciate any input/advice.
 

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2mm, eh? That doesn't sound too bad. Can we assume the big bushing on the forward gear isn't trashed from running with water in the oil? Make sure there is a thrust washer at both ends of the splined section, and run it.
 

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When you had the lower unit apart did you find the 2 thrust washers??----What did the forward gear bearing look like ?
 

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Sorry for delay, going to be another day or two until I can get back working on this...
 

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Update: of the 6 Gearcase Screws (p/n 304071) holding the two castings of the Gearcase (p/n 390040) together I was able to loosen 1 screw. The other 5 screws seem to be seized. I tried a heat gun but no luck. A couple questions: 1) is it feasible to use a propane torch or will I likely melt/damage the seal between 2 Gearcase halves (or even damage internal gearcase seals 2) does the bushing in the propeller need to press tightly against the Gearcase O-ring p/n 303360 in order to get a tight seal? 5 years ago I replaced the stock 2-blade Propeller (due to a Spun Prop which my local PropShop said could not be " rebushinged") with a Michigan Match 3-blade p/n 012008 8-1/4" x 8" RH. Outboard has run fine with that prop, although there is some weird possible pitting/corrosion on the Gearcase near the prop. However, inside surface of the 3-blad Prop still has original paint intact, so I know inside of the prop is not rubbing the Gearcase. (I can't find original Prop, it is hiding in my workshop somewhere--or may have been lost in hurricane past September). What could be causing this pitting? Outboard has no zincs by-design (real Old School--1969). I will post a photo separately (phone camera vs. Laptop issues...) 4) if Gearcase Lube hasn't been changed in 5 years or longer, is it possible/normal for milky condition to eventually occur? If the Water Pump on this model can be changed (which it was, 5 years ago) without draining the Gearcase Lube, then the Lube in this outboard could have been well over 5 years old. Thanks in advance for any advice.
 

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50 tears ago we used an impact screw driver to get those out.-----And it is NOT normal for water to eventually get in.-----Do not forget to change the shift rod O-ring !
 

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Sorry, I disagree. I say it is normal for trace amounts of water to get in over a long period of time. That's why the owner's manual says to change the oil as part of normal maintenance.

Those screws will come out with ease with a hand impact screwdriver.
 

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How much is a " trace amount "-in this case ?-------I say lower units are sealed and no water gets in !
 

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How much is a " trace amount "-in this case ?-------I say lower units are sealed and no water gets in !

Agreed....with the caveat that it does depend on what constitutes a "trace"....and the period of time involved.
Five years? :eek:
If that long, I would say all bets are off and I agree with FR.

In this case, I would be inclined to just flush and fill the gearbox and check again after a week or two of use.
If oil is clear and water-free, keep on boating....and change oil at end of season as part of regular routine winterisation.
 

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Thanks to all for the input. yes I did use a hand impact driver--that is how I got the 1 (of 6) screws to loosen. I too am afraid that all bets are off. So I am going to go with Tim Franks' advice and will let you all know status in a couple weeks.

Thanks again.
 

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These lower units are precision built.----Therefor easy to maintain / repair.-----But yes many owners today run their lawnmovers / outboards till they go " boom " then it is cheap to go and buy a new one.
 
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