Won't go into neutral, but shops can't fix

MattStingray

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First time boat owner. 1999 Stringray with 4.3L, 190HP Mercruiser. The boat virtually *never* goes into neutral from forward (and I think reverse, but haven't explored that as much). I have to push the safety neutral button and wiggle the throttle towards reverse. The previous owner had the same problem, and told me his local repair shop couldn't fix. I took it to what I think is a respectable local repair shop, and they told me they couldn't reproduce. I am certainly clueless in many respects, but putting the boat into neutral seems pretty uncomplicated and something that just needs to work every time. I pull the lever until it "locks" and that's neutral.

So, I guess my questions are:
  • Is there something about having the boat out of the water that makes this issue hard to reproduce / diagnose?
  • Is it unreasonable to think a respectable boat repair shop should be able to reproduce when it does it every single time when on the water?
  • Do I just keep looking for a better repair shop?
Appreciate your input,
Matt
 

MattStingray

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apologize in advance for multiple posts. Was getting an error about posting and didn't realize it actually worked.
 

harringtondav

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You need a better shop. Shifting problems can only be diagnosed in the water. Your issue is common and fixable. If you want to delve into some DIY, this forum has pros that can walk you through the fix. Else, find a better shop.
 

vetting

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Did the shops test it in the water? The only difference in the water when you experience it is that there is a load on the prop due to the water its pushing. If you trailer the boat, hook the drive up to muffs/hose and see if its shifts fine or not (dont rev the crap out of it). If its fine on muffs and bad in the actual water, then I would say its the shift linkage - the more experienced members can chime in with their thoughts.
 

vetting

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Best bet is if you can find a mobile mechanic that will test it in the water. Like harringtondav said, adjustments should really be made in the water due to the load on the prop that you only get in the water. You can get it close on land, but final shift adjustments have to be made in the water.
 

Rick Stephens

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I could use a better description. If the problem is in the water, and the shifter resists going into neutral, or it pulls to that location but is still in gear, then the shift interrupt switch isn’t working. Because the gears are angled to stay locked into gear, and the water keep pressure on the gear train all the time, the shift interrupt Is supposed to kill the ignition just long enough to allow the gears to unload and go into neutral. You should probably read the ADULTS only pages if you want more information on that. It is essential knowledge if you own an alpha one drive.

Rick
 

iknowalttl

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I would bet on the interrupt switch being the issue... it doesn't present itself out of water....
 

MattStingray

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thanks all. I have actually read all the adult pages. I was considering trying to do something like this myself to see if it fixed, but looking at the engine scared me off a bit. I couldn't even locate the interrupt switch :) I'm in Iowa, on one of our few private lakes, and I think it may be a challenge to find a good mechanic. I got the number for a mobile mechanic and he started saying how he doesn't do lower unit work and such which concerned me, but maybe I'll give him a try.

But what I'm hearing is that this should definitely not be something I accept and try to live with.
 

MattStingray

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I could use a better description. If the problem is in the water, and the shifter resists going into neutral, or it pulls to that location but is still in gear, then the shift interrupt switch isn’t working.

this is an accurate description. It does go into neutral though if I tap the lever towards reverse. Not sure if that's because I'm jamming it into reverse and then into neutral, or something else though.

I'm curious, would it be safe to trim the motor up (or on the lift) and try shifting from forward into neutral? At least once or twice to see how it behaves? I have never used the muffs.

Assuming that it shifts normally (which I do expect...the last shop that looked at it has a good reputation), would that then suggest it's not the interrupt switch?
 

Rick Stephens

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If the interrupt isn't working, then it is not safe to operate. The interrupt is at the motor end of the shift cables, usually mounted right to the motor. Follow the black shift cables.. Once you find it, and are running in the driveway on muffs, you can take one finger and push the cam to the side and kill your motor if it works. If that doesn't kill the motor, then it needs fixing.

No, you cannot trim the drive up and resolve this. Never run your motor with the drive trimmed up, it will tear up u-joints.
 

achris

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thanks all. I have actually read all the adult pages. I was considering trying to do something like this myself to see if it fixed, but looking at the engine scared me off a bit. I couldn't even locate the interrupt switch :) I'm in Iowa, on one of our few private lakes, and I think it may be a challenge to find a good mechanic. I got the number for a mobile mechanic and he started saying how he doesn't do lower unit work and such which concerned me, but maybe I'll give him a try.

But what I'm hearing is that this should definitely not be something I accept and try to live with.

OK, that's my video. ("And as always, thanks for watching.")

First thing, what is your engine serial number. We ask this of every thread as it allows the people helping you to know exactly what we are all working with.

Second. You need to understand how the system works. Here's a brief overview.

The dogs on the clutches (in the gear housing) are undercut. That means with load on the propeller, like when the engine is pushing the boat, the clutch tries to pull itself into engagement. This stops the torque of the engine forcing the drive out of gear. That's important for high torque engines, especially 5.7 and BBC engines. A consequence of this is that when the prop has load, pulling the clutch out of engagement is difficult/near impossible. The solution is the 'shift interrupt switch'. This switch kills the spark for long enough to get the clutch disengaged, and then allows the engine to keep running again. Here's the tricky part. The lower shift cable arrives up at the shift plate on the engine and attaches to a point on the lever that is offset to the lever pivot point. When there's load on the prop and the operator tries to shift out of gear, the load on the cable and its offset mounting point force the lever to move. That closes the switch that grounds the ignition system, causing the torque to be removed from the propeller shaft, allowing the clutch to disengage, which removes the load from the cable, and the lever is sprung back to the 'rest' position, the switch opens and the engine merely hiccups and continues to run. All that happens in a blink of an eye, literally less than 1/2 a second. And it's that load on the prop that starts it all. When running on flushers, there is no load on the prop, so no interrupt when shifting... If you DO get an interrupt when shifting while running on flushers, there's something wrong with the system. And the interrupt only works coming OUT of gear (and that's either reverse or forward). It does not operate when going into gear (the last thing you need when adding a sudden load to an engine is for some fool to be shutting off the spark! :facepalm:)

Whenever I service a boat, one test I do when running on the flushers is to just press down, then pull up on the lever to check the switch is working, in both directions. I need to hear that hesitation. That's the first place I recommend you start. Verify the switch working. The next thing is the adjustment of the switch with relation to the lever. It does need to be right, and there is a spec.

If you have a plunger type switch, like the one I'm working on in my video, then the spec is 3mm (1/8"). The switch needs to close when the plunger has moved 3mm. If it's too far, the lever may never trip it. Use a 3mm drill bit to check the distance.

Chris.......
 

MattStingray

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Thanks Chris. Unfortunately, the boat is an hour a way, but I'll get the serial number this weekend.
 

tank1949

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First time boat owner. 1999 Stringray with 4.3L, 190HP Mercruiser. The boat virtually *never* goes into neutral from forward (and I think reverse, but haven't explored that as much). I have to push the safety neutral button and wiggle the throttle towards reverse. The previous owner had the same problem, and told me his local repair shop couldn't fix. I took it to what I think is a respectable local repair shop, and they told me they couldn't reproduce. I am certainly clueless in many respects, but putting the boat into neutral seems pretty uncomplicated and something that just needs to work every time. I pull the lever until it "locks" and that's neutral.

So, I guess my questions are:
  • Is there something about having the boat out of the water that makes this issue hard to reproduce / diagnose?
  • Is it unreasonable to think a respectable boat repair shop should be able to reproduce when it does it every single time when on the water?
  • Do I just keep looking for a better repair shop?
Appreciate your input,
Matt

Test under load! Go buy or steal a 50 gal drum and figure out how to position it for OD to be submerged into. I believe that I cut one at about 60% that just barely fit my alpha drives. I had enough wiggle room and gave OD load that it needed when filled with water. Obviously fill with water and have buddy make sure it stays filled while OD kicks out water with prop. It will!!!!! I had nightmares with one of my alphas too. Neither shop nor myself could get interrupt to consistently work. I always suspected that I may have had timing or rpms advanced too much. But, I sold boat before I could test out that theory. Good luck!
 

Rick Stephens

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I'm not much of a fan of putting a sterndrive in a bucket. Too easy to not get cooling water and ruin a perfectly good impeller, not to mention it's hard to keep a load on as you repair things and test a few times. If you know how to adjust linkages and how the interrupt works, it is easy to set it up on dry land. Simple switch, spring and cam lever after all.

Owner either needs to take it to a shop that knows how to do that job or delve in himself.
 
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