Rebuilding my first boat

Northidahoboat

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I bought a 1970s boat last year and it had some pretty bad rot. I knew it was going to be a project when I bought it and I have been working on it in my spare time over the last year. I stripped the deck out and all of the stringers out. Now my questions start.

1. If I removed the entire transom and am planning on rebuilding even the fiberglass is there any advantages or disadvantages to adding a layer of steel sheet in the transom?
2. If i do wooden stringers can i put a metal deck on it and what is the best cost efficient way to do a metal deck?
3. What is the most cost efficient but longest lasting material for stringers?
4. Is my wife going to kill me before this is finished?
 

Scott Danforth

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first, welcome aboard

second, read thru links 14, 15, 18, 2, 3, 4a and 4b in the DIY stickies at the top of the forum in that order. look at every video, picture and link. that will answer every question you can think of and many you cant think of

remember, your boat is 50 years old and has at least had 3-4 prior owners....... recreational boats are built to last about 15 years and be replaced. your boat lasted at least 3X its intended design life. depending on the year and manufacturer, your boat may be cored, it may be hand-laid, or it may be chopper gun construction.....

now on to your questions you posted

1 - no advantage what-soever, plenty of disadvantages. to get any strength, you need to be into heavy plate vs sheet, so you are adding hundreds of pounds of weight, where those two layers of 3/4" plywood covered with a few layers of 1708 and polly lasted over 50 years with shoddy workmanship. how do you plan on attaching the steel? assume you use a 1/4" sheet of steel. you still have to add 1-1/4" of wood to the core to get a total thickness of 2.00 - 2.25" so now you are out $300 for a full sheet of A36 which will start to rust right away. then the rust will migrate between the resin and steel and the bond fails. not to mention, short of having access to a laser, cutting and handling it would be a biotch. what prompted your thoughts on adding a sheet of steel?

2 - wood is preferred for the stringers and the deck. again, back to the steel deck you mentioned. you will be into 7 gauge at a minimum to prevent oil canning when walking on it. so for a 15 foot boat, assume 820# of steel to make a deck. what advantage are you adding to the boat vs the typical 100# of plywood and 2 layers of 1708. then you have to figure out how to tie the steel plate back into the boat hull and stringers to make that mechanical connection, where tabbing already does this. then you have the cost and the handling. how are you going to keep the metal from rusting? if you migrate over to stainless, your cost jumps up to 3x. you could jump to aluminum, the cost would be the same, however you would be closer to 320# (you have to jump up in thickness to get the same stiffness) this would most likely exceed the weight capacity of your boat.

3 - 3/4" exterior grade plywood is the most cost efficient, easy to work with and best for the job short of an engineered stringer tub which requires a pile of molds and a plexus mix gun to glue it all together

4 - yes she is, and if you are trying to re-invent the boat which will add thousands of dollars to the boat as well as thousands of hours of your time, she will probably shoot you.


now, what advantage would you have to add steel to the transom and deck?
 

JASinIL2006

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I bought a 1970s boat last year and it had some pretty bad rot. I knew it was going to be a project when I bought it and I have been working on it in my spare time over the last year. I stripped the deck out and all of the stringers out. Now my questions start.

1. If I removed the entire transom and am planning on rebuilding even the fiberglass is there any advantages or disadvantages to adding a layer of steel sheet in the transom?

Don't add steel. For all the reasons Scott mentioned. What point would the steel serve?

2. If i do wooden stringers can i put a metal deck on it and what is the best cost efficient way to do a metal deck?

Unless your intention is to create a floating griddle, why metal? If you properly encapsulate exterior plywood in fiberglass, it will last a very long time, cost less, and weigh a lot less. If you're really itching to throw away money, you could look into Coosa or some other composite, but properly prepared wood will outlast you.

3. What is the most cost efficient but longest lasting material for stringers?

Wood (or Coosa, if you're rich) will do the job. Laminated wood (e.g., plywood) has the advantage of an excellent strength-to-weight ratio, too. Just be sure it's fully encapsulated in fiberglass. [/QUOTE]

4. Is my wife going to kill me before this is finished?

What is her tolerance for having you spend lots of money and for disappearing for hours at a time to work on the boat? My admiral wasn't crazy about the extra cost, but she loves the boat and all the fun family time we have on it. We regularly comment on how it's been one of the best leisure-time investments we've ever made, even with the yearly maintenance cost and my proclivity to buy new and unnecessary gadgets and tools for the boat!
 

Northidahoboat

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I wondered about adding the steel because the previous transom had cracks where the bolts where at. I thought it would help keep the boat more solid, never thought about the rust messing up the resin
 

Scott Danforth

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the original transom cracked where bolts were at because it was probably rotten for 10+ years

if you want to keep the boat solid, first, do a fantastic job on the restoration including pre-planning all your thru-hull locations and using solid PB in those areas, then dont drill holes in the boat to mount stuff without sealing them with 5200, and keep water out of the bilge
 
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