1992 Mercruiser 4.3 w/ balance shaft and 1 piece rear main seal swap to newer year Vortec.

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Boat weighs about 2,260 lbs. and when fully loaded w/ 4 fishermen and a 2 scoops fiber glassed bait tank would be around 3,200 lbs. Trying to get more speed.
 

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Do you think it's wiser and more economical to go w/ the 4.3 Vortec instead of 5.7 Vortec in regards to gas and parts?
 

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Will the current 55 gallon gas tank be sufficient for the 5.7?
 

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I did ask before, but you missed the question.

What are the current performance figures? Without knowing what's happening now we can't tell you what is likely to happen with a bigger engine. Need to know...
Drive ratio
propeller pitch
WOT revs
WOT speed

210 litres of fuel should be good for around 100 nautical miles.

Chris...
 

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Prop 14 1/4 x 17 SS 4 Blades
WOT 4200 RPM
WOT Speed 30
 

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Prop 14 1/4 x 17 SS 4 Blades
WOT 4200 RPM
WOT Speed 30
Without even running the numbers I can see that you are already killing that engine. Revs should be 4400-4800, so you are throwing horsepower away by being overpropped (as well as damaging it!). And if you're looking for speed, a 4 blade prop is another way to chop 3 or 4 knots off the top. 4 blade props are great for a lot of things, but top speed is not one of them.

So, let's start with those figures. From those I have calculated that you have a 1.84:1 drive. (for those who use 'slip' as a performance guide, it's at 18.5%. Ok for a boat that size, and an engine so overpropped.)

My first recommendation would be to go to a 15" 3 blade prop, but since the current engine is cracked and you are looking at replacing, I would definitely go to the 5.7.

Using Merc's prop calculator, it suggests that with the current V6, you could get your top speed up to about 35 with a change to a 15" 3 blade prop. But when I put the numbers in for a 5.7 engine, a 21" prop should put you up in the 42mph area.

So that pretty much clears up the question of whether you're current drive will work. :) (yes it will)

As for fuel consumption. Up to the point you reach 30mph, both engines will use pretty much the same amount of fuel. Once you start pushing into the 30s, obviously you're going to use more, but at the same time, you'll be putting more distance behind you. My best estimate would be that you'll use around 2 to 2.5 litres/nautical mile up to about 35mph with the V8. Any faster than 35 and I think you'll be looking at around 2.8 to 3 L/Nm.

Chris......
 
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nic420

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Without even running the numbers I can see that you are already killing that engine. Revs should be 4400-4800, so you are throwing horsepower away by being overpropped (as well as damaging it!). And if you're looking for speed, a 4 blade prop is another way to chop 3 or 4 knots off the top. 4 blade props are great for a lot of things, but top speed is not one of them.

So, let's start with those figures. From those I have calculated that you have a 1.84:1 drive. (for those who use 'slip' as a performance guide, it's at 18.5%. Ok for a boat that size, and an engine so overpropped.)

My first recommendation would be to go to a 15" 3 blade prop, but since the current engine is cracked and you are looking at replacing, I would definitely go to the 5.7.

Using Merc's prop calculator, it suggests that with the current V6, you could get your top speed up to about 35 with a change to a 15" 3 blade prop. But when I put the numbers in for a 5.7 engine, a 21" prop should put you up in the 42mph area.

So that pretty much clears up the question of whether you're current drive will work. :) (yes it will)

As for fuel consumption. Up to the point you reach 30mph, both engines will use pretty much the same amount of fuel. Once you start pushing into the 30s, obviously you're going to use more, but at the same time, you'll be putting more distance behind you. My best estimate would be that you'll use around 2 to 2.5 litres/nautical mile up to about 35mph with the V8. Any faster than 35 and I think you'll be looking at around 2.8 to 3 L/Nm.

Chris......
Thank you Chris for all the info! Awesome!.
 

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Are the cylinder head gaskets for the 4.3 non-vortec and vortec the same?
 

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Can anyone help with finding Felpro cylinder head and intake gaskets only and not the whole set for the vortec 4.3?
 

Lou C

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Try:
Jeg’s
Summit Racing
Michigan Motorz

I’m not sure if the HGs are the same for both...
 

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Interesting so then if someone wanted to put Vortec cyl heads on a pre Vortec block then which ones would they use? Vortec?
When I did my overhaul with the pre Vortec Fel Pro sold a kit with the marine HGs, intake gaskets, distributor gasket and the sealer for the front & rear China walls. About $120 if I remember right.
 

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Interesting so then if someone wanted to put Vortec cyl heads on a pre Vortec block then which ones would they use? Vortec?
When I did my overhaul with the pre Vortec Fel Pro sold a kit with the marine HGs, intake gaskets, distributor gasket and the sealer for the front & rear China walls. About $120 if I remember right.
If memory serves, the felpro brand head gasket kit has two different numbers. one balance shaft 17210 , one without balance shaft 17211. I do not believe that Felpro has a vortec marine gasket based on reading I did a while back. I believe that is a GM or Mahle only gasket set for the vortec heads. slight change to gasket shape, intake manifold gasket change, etc. head gaskets are stainless MLS
 

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Gaskets are interesting... I have a frankenmotor, pre balance shaft with Vortec heads. Steel oil pan and timing cover, 8 bolt intake and Vortec valve covers. There is no kit that has all the right gaskets. So it is mix and match time and the hunt was on to find bottom end oil pan and timing set from pre balance shaft and a top end set for Vortec.
 

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The Vortec intake gaskets for sure are different as is the torque spec.
 

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The head gaskets are standard gm gaskets. I used mahle. I think that most Head gaskets for the last 20 years or so are composite, and can be used in a marine application. Yes, @Scott Danforth and I went through this when I was putting my engine together. Iirc the only thing that I needed different from my mahle gasket set was the exhaust.
 

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The head gaskets are standard gm gaskets. I used mahle. I think that most Head gaskets for the last 20 years or so are composite, and can be used in a marine application. Yes, @Scott Danforth and I went through this when I was putting my engine together. Iirc the only thing that I needed different from my mahle gasket set was the exhaust.
Exhaust? Exhausts are the same from 1984 to current. Maybe intake?
 
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