LiFePO Batteries ???

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I went on there...there is no mention at all of 2C charging. It does however say the BMS can handle 100A but they recommend 20A.View attachment 407274
I have the 140 ah battery, bigger BMS system and different charging capacities according to Time USB messages sent to me. According to them the battery can handle a 2c charge rate but not recommended for longest life.
 

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I have the 140 ah battery, bigger BMS system and different charging capacities according to Time USB messages sent to me. According to them the battery can handle a 2c charge rate but not recommended for longest life.
Here are the 140AH battery specs

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I'm thinking that the BMS did not protect the battery (cells) to the extent that it should have. The other battery (it's twin hooked in parallel) came to life with just a quick touch of the trickle charger. and was sitting at 11.5 volts after activation . . . now fully charged.
The BMS did its job..it turned off the battery when either the total voltage went below a limit or one of the cells went below the limit. The problem is, the cells keep self discharging even after the BMS turns off so the cells continued to self discharge over winter until they got to a point where they are unrecoverable.

LiFePO4 self discharge 1-3% depending on whose specs you are reading.
 

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I ordered another battery . . . Same as the others. Not sure how long the replacement will take and I did not want to start off the season with just 1 100 Ah battery for the 'house' loads.

When I get the replacement, I'll work it in as a third battery, so I'll have 300 Ah of capacity on the 'house' circuit.

$279 all-in . . . which is not too bad.
 

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A word of caution about ...ANY ....battery used for starting a motor.
That 500 amps for 1 second. Is useless. If your engine needs more than 1 second of cranking. Lead Acid batteries HAVE a definite place on the boat.
If your starting wires are on the small sizes ? They can be quickly damaged by amps from the LIFEPO4 bigger batteries..
 

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Can i ask a question about DC to DC converter to run between my 2 stroke with stator and lifePo4 cranking battery here or should I start a new thread?
 

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Can i ask a question about DC to DC converter to run between my 2 stroke with stator and lifePo4 cranking battery here or should I start a new thread?
How much current can it put out? I wouldn't go over 50% to a DC to DC converter.

Probably should start a new thread though.

What starter battery do you own?
 

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The BMS did its job..it turned off the battery when either the total voltage went below a limit or one of the cells went below the limit. The problem is, the cells keep self discharging even after the BMS turns off so the cells continued to self discharge over winter until they got to a point where they are unrecoverable.

LiFePO4 self discharge 1-3% depending on whose specs you are reading.
Interesting. I have two lifepo4 batteries wired in series 12 volt 100 amp hour. I didn’t check the exact voltage before I put the boat in storage what I do know is they were only about half charged. We had a brutally cold winter here. When I got the boat out this spring the batteries were fine. Nothing went to sleep. Plugged in the NOCO and they still showed half charged.
 

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My very old B & D LIFEPO4 cells in a vacuum cleaner are run down to 5% regularly. Doing that for decades. Still at 90% of a full charge after BALANCING after every full charging. They are true LIFEPO4 cells. Not a Lithium knock off.
 

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Quick update . . .
The defective battery is on its way back to LiTime and a new (presumably 3rd) battery should arrive later this week.

The solar charging system that I made/installed last year is doing its thing.
 

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Interesting. I have two lifepo4 batteries wired in series 12 volt 100 amp hour. I didn’t check the exact voltage before I put the boat in storage what I do know is they were only about half charged. We had a brutally cold winter here. When I got the boat out this spring the batteries were fine. Nothing went to sleep. Plugged in the NOCO and they still showed half charged.
It is my understanding that storing them in the cold is not an issue as long as no charging or discharging is being done.
 

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Definitely READ the COLD WEATHER warnings.
On my liturature, it mentions no charging or discharging below 32 or the BMS will shut it down. It is recommended to store above what equals 15 degrees for longest life but can handle temps below zero if not being charged or discharged. My BMS is made to stop any cycling below I believe 32 degrees. I don't fish in freezing temps anyway, so no big deal.
 

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I’m not sure if all LFP batteries are the same, but . . .

The cold protection in my batteries stops charging @ 32F, but the discharging keeps going until about 4F. So, with my boat, which has a lot of parasitic loads, the batteries run down.
 

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I’m not sure if all LFP batteries are the same, but . . .

The cold protection in my batteries stops charging @ 32F, but the discharging keeps going until about 4F. So, with my boat, which has a lot of parasitic loads, the batteries run down.
From what I understand ( and that isn't much) they are referring to active discharge from something making a draw down, which the BMS controls, not parasitic draws or minor discharge under normal battery life cycles.
 

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I know for a FACT that the BMS module does.. COULD.. draw power ALL the time. We use these batteries in Radio Controlled model airplane. SOME ...BMS systems HAVE ruined the battery by constantly drawing MONITORING POWER. You MUST have a full current rated switch to turn off ALL Parasitic currents. Some electronics STILL draw power even when turned off. Memory systems of radios can have that constant current draw when turned off.
The BMS should have a STANDBY mode of operation to prevent The BMS system from ruining the battery.
Why some of us still use Lead Acid batteries.
 
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