1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

[Rumbles]

I got my recently purchased 1952 TN 5hp running enough to hear a rubbing problem in the recoil. I removed it while the engine was running and all was quiet with the engine. On further investigation I notice one of the 3 cogs that engage the engine mounted piece that turns the motor over was missing. The part that holds it in was still there so someone must have removed the broken piece, but it seems by the witness marks on the remaining two that they are rubbing on the flywheel mounted piece they engage with to start the motor. Any suggestions on what the problem may be or where I can find parts to fix this problem?

 

[F_R]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

There are a few possibilities.
1. The tank or mounting ring may be bent. You may have to shim the starter to compensate.

2. The starter may be assembled incorrectly. Most people don't know the equalizer (friction) spring has to be pre-assembled onto the shoulder of the hub before putting the hub into the pulley.

3. Are the pawl springs there?

They made bazillions of those starters over the years on many different motors with only the housing being the difference. Parts are available everywhere.

 

[Rumbles]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

I think I see what you mean but where does the wafer style washer go? I assume the red line is pointing to the coil style spring. The 2 remaining pawl springs are still there, I wonder with 1 missing is that contributing to the rubbing / scrapping issue perhaps not enough spring return strength to return things into the correct position once the engine has started.

 

[F_R]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

Maybe I am amiss here. Are the pawls on the starter or on the flywheel? That was about the time they changed.

If the pawls are on the flywheel, they disengage by centrifugal force when the flywheel is spinning. The pawl springs only cause them to swing in to engage them when stopped. They would fling out and disengeage when running even if there were no springs at all.

If the pawls are on the starter, the friction spring that the arrow points to causes the equalizer cup to rotate according to whether the rope is being pulled or retracting. Three tiny pawl springs pull the pawls into engagement position when the rope is being pulled. They have nothing to do with retracting them when the rope is retracting. The equalizer cup nudges them back into retracted position.

I am not sure what you are referring to as a wafer washer.

 

[Rumbles]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

The pawls are on the starter, I believe it is referred to as the Simplex version. The wafer washer was located between the spindle and the part that houses the coil spring. This is how you would see it if you had the recoil upside down on the bench, the large top part of the spindle, then the wafer washer, then the coil spring housing. I'm not sure if this helps clarify but I do have a book that should help on the way. I do appreciate your help though.

 

[F_R]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

No washer in the starter except 202356 which goes under the head of the screw to hold it all together.

 

[Rumbles]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

Ok great F_R, yes I will reassemble it without the wafer washer someone has added. The big question is why, what were they trying to accomplish. Otherwise I will look for some pawls and tiny springs and I should be all set.

 

[Rumbles]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

Good news my recoil starter is working as it should even with the one pawl and spring missing. Not sure that why someone added that extra washer that was causing all the problems. Thanks again F_R

 

[Big P Johnson]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

Supreme Mariner,
Do you have any more diagram views of this starter? i.e. parts list. assy picture etc. I have one that I'm trying to put back together and the parts breakdown you gave Rumble was the best I have seen.
Thanks!

 

[boobie]

Re: 1952 TN 28 Recoil Problem

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