1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

for the top coats of enamel , I will be adding the enamel hardening catalyst, just so you know....is it ok to use acetone to clean between coats of latex primer and enamal.....

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

well the latex primer "made for aluminum" was worthless...should have went with the epoxy

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Latex Primer??? Was this Oil Based? Thinned with Mineral Spirits? If you want some good info on how to paint your boat with Rustoleum or any other Acrylic Oil Based paint check this link... FYI All Bare aluminum must be primered with SE primer if you want to ensure the paint will adhere long term. Then you should apply the Oil Based Rustoleum Bare Metal Primer and It is recommended to scuff with 3M scotch brite pad and wipe down with acetone.

"Paint Your Boat for Under $100 Bucks...Well Almost"

 

[pckeen]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Hi,

After several trips to hardware stores, trying to find out the answer to your last question for my own boat restoration, and getting very confused looks from salespeople who were not aware that there were different kinds of rivets, and after many hours on the internet, I think there are three kinds; solid, closed end and pop rivets. This link here might help you. I'm doing solid rivets when I get to that point on my boat.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Is this the primer you used?

LATEX ALUMINUM PRIMER by Rustoleum - 8781502 - More Primer at doitbest.com

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Thanks for your help, I ended up using regular rivets. Filled holes with JB weld marine and a coat of epoxy. We'll see how it works. These rivets are close to top rail so not under water constantly. I picked a bad time to start project , I really just cant wait to get out on water...I Have learned so much though and when I decide to get a bigger boat restoration I will be better prepared..Thanks for your input....

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

No, I don't think so, maybe different packaging though. I used this.. Looked everywhere for a quart of self etching primer...Not, Didn't want to but was just gonna get some cans of SE primer but then I saw this and fell for it...I knew I should of just got the primer but , I didn't... I have read your threads on painting) Funny I have known about self etching primer for awhile now, Not necessarily for painting aluminum but, I knew about it...I went to my local Sherwin Williams and asked if they had it in quarts.. He never heard of it.. Looked at my like I was crazy, same for ZC...I said alright NM.

Anyway now I've already sanded boat with 100g. Roughed it up , hit it with that primer pictured. Was not impressed off the bat. I had the choice take it off now or just say F.I. I want to take the boat out on the water so bad, so I said F.I. I threw on couple coats of Enamel with hardener. Thinned the first coat with acetone and rolled didn't come out to good, and it started raining . ( I'm working under carport) sanded with fine paper and wiped with mineral spirits and the final coat I decided not to thin and to just paint with brush. This coat looks much better, dried quick and looks pretty good. Not perfect by any means but good enough for this year...So now I'm just waiting on her to cure...

So I did it the way I did it not to happy about it but we will see how she holds up.. I'll let ya all know and see...So that anyone may learn from this project.. I know the next project will be closer to winter and approached much better...But we'll have to see what new boat I want...Already want bigger....

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

sorry made pics to small , I"ll redo....

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Ok, so you say it was "Worthless" what does that actually mean? What kind of Roller's did you use when attempting to roll on the paint? Did you use the hardener? If you did, did you mix and let it "Cook" for 30 mins. You can use the self etching primer in the spray can. You only need a very light dusting of it so 2 cans would have been enuf to do the job. Just so you're aware, without proper prep there's a good chance the paint system may fail and the paint may begin to peel off of the hull in a very short period of time. You may get lucky and it may last longer.

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

notice the bottom of the directions where it says if top coat is enamel wait 24 hours before next coat, that's where I figured it should be OK.. so I don't know, I guess I'll just have to see. I'm not to optimistic but I'm still gonna keep my hopes up....Maybe I'll get lucky...

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Yeah unfortunately I'm very aware, and like I said I did read your threads...I did use high density foam roller and thinned with what was it 1/2 cup?, acetone to quart of enamel, with 2 oz. of hardener and cook for 30. yup did all that.. It may have had to do with the primer, was sanded then wiped with acetone, maybe should have used mineral spirits instead.. That's what I used in between primer and top coats...

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Soo, what did you mean primer was worthless? What happened.? What happened with the Roll n' Roll technique?

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

well I primed and it just didn't seem to go on well, was kinda watery. it dried quick however; within a few hours..I waited a few days and started sanding and it was peeling off, not real bad but just didn't seem to stick like I would have hoped....Now I have to add that the weather has been humid.....

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Ok, I gotcha, I think if you re-read this you'll see the error. For the Roll n' Roll method you do NOT thin the primer. Also wipe down is with a 50/50 mix of Acetone and MS. As I said before...It's all about the prep.

This is for Roll n' Roll Application

Final sand with 180 grit and wipe down with acetone.
(Do not thin the Primer. Do not add Hardener to the Primer.)
Apply 2 coats of primer. Use 3M Scotch Brite pads to knock of the nubs between Primer coats then wipe down with 50/50 mix of Acetone and Mineral Spirits. Just a Damp cloth. Not to much.
Use the Ultra Smooth Whizz Brand High Density 4" or 6" Foam Rollers​

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

sand and prime....I should have taken photos of the issues I was having but didn't think of it...I'll remember next time..

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

1st coat of enamel....

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Sorry if I wasn't clear but I didn't thin primer. I did that only for paint....but the 50/50 I did not do...

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

i also brushed on primer....

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

when I was using scotch pad,I may have gone to far down some spots back to metal and thats when I noticed instead of sanding smooth from metal to primer it was kinda peeling away....I then only touched up spots of bare metal with more primer then scotch pad again...I know I should have done some things different but working 10 hours and coming home to sand was getting tough..I cut corners and was getting burnt out..Plus I really want to get out on water...I can always do over in winter.. and this time it wont be the entire boat and trailer...just paint... Since I knew I was cutting corners I'm prepared for possible paint failure.. We'll see....But I still think I should have steered clear of that primer and did the SE like recommended

 

[richierider]

Re: 1967 14ft. Starcraft Sea Scamp Restoration

Maybe I'm just being a little sinacale. I'm kinda a perfectionist so when something isn't perfect it really bothers me...But a big factor was that I was just getting burnt out...Kinda rushed it... NO biggie. live and learn ... Will correct.. IN WINTER....