1975 70HP Evinrude (70573E) Stalling When Shifting

Cmcneal1

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Hello All!

Longtime lurker, first time poster. I'm hoping to get some more direct advice from the experts on this site. A few things first:

1) Compression = 85 psi on each cylinder
2) Correct plugs shooting a 7/16" gap on all cylinders
3) Rebuilt carbs and fuel filter/pump 2 years ago
4) Primer bulb gets firm and works properly, fresh and flexible fuel hoses
5) Static WOT timing set at 13 degrees (manual calls for 17 degrees running WOT in water)
6) Timer base moves fully and freely
7) Current prop = 13X19 (13.25X17 is on the way)
8) Decarb procedure performed this year
9) Link and Sync performed (butterflies fully open and close in unison as designed)
10) No tach on the dash, I use a phototach in the driveway

I have observed the following symptoms and I'm not sure if they are related to each other or not:

1) Bottom plug is slightly darker than the other 2
2) Idle rpm fluctuates between 900 and 1200 in a barrel
3) When I first shift the motor, the engine will slowly stall (15-20 sec) unless I give it extra throttle
4) Sometimes, shifting from WOT to neutral too quickly will make the motor stall
5) Sometimes, advancing the throttle too quickly will make the motor stall
6) Sometimes, the motor will only start on the lake with the warm up lever up
7) Warm-up lever usage increases rpms by a ton! (1000-1500 rpm)
8) Running in barrel with the air silencer off, I hear some slight air movement
9) Idle air passage screws were quite a bit off from each other (I lightly seated them and then backed out 2 full turns)
10) After running in a barrel, the impeller housing (and everything else inside the LU) was covered in black gunk

A few questions for the experts:

1) Is a change of 300 rpm in idle normal in a barrel?
2) Can a lower pitch prop increase rpms outside of just WOT?
3) How can I even out the idle rpm and forward gear idle rpm to be more similar in speed?
4) Would an exhaust leak, too long in the barrel, or unburned fuel cause the coating of black inside the LU?
5) What are the specific steps (in sequence) to correctly check and set:
  • idle air screws on each carb
  • idle stop screw on throttle arm
  • WOT stop screw on throttle arm
  • throttle cable trunnion from control box
  • cam and roller to ensure spark advances just before butterflies open
  • shifting cable trunnion from control box
  • warm-up lever positioning and functioning
6) Are there any other tests to perform? Things I should check? Things to be concerned with?

Let me know if I left out any important information. I appreciate the help in advance and I look forward to getting these things resolved!
 

racerone

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I did not read much past your comprssion numbers !----Compression should be around 130 / 140 PSI.-----So you have a bad test method / bad gage or a motor that needs a rebuild.
 

fireman57

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Did you just get this engine? Did it run properly before? The reason I ask is because I had two of these and they both did that. Had to bump the primer to get it to take off after shifting. There was a service bulletin showing what to drill jets out to and enlarging the holes under the welch plugs. Made it a little better but still was not right on either engine. Oh, and welcome to iboats.
 

Cmcneal1

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Thanks for the replies guys.

racerone- Ouch! I'm not quite sure on my abilities (or my funds availability) to do a rebuild... What all would a proper rebuild entail on this motor? I know 85psi is low, but is it too low? I have read of similar motors running fine at 70 and 80 psi and the maximum ever that I recall on these cylinders was maybe 100 each. I will test again tonight (first time since I did a decarb), verify guage operation, ensure a warm motor, and report the results.

fireman57- I have had the boat and motor for quite a while. There has been a season or 2 where I was unable to de-winterize it but there was a point in time when the motor ran great for my needs. The only service bulletin I can find on the modification is for a 76' and mine is a 75'. They are listed with different carbs so I'm not sure if it would pertain to my motor. Do you have a source or a link to the bulletin?
 

Cmcneal1

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Compression confirmed- 85psi on each cylinder. I warmed up the motor for 10 minutes and wrapped all guage connections in teflon tape.
 

Cmcneal1

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I removed the head and looked at each cylinder. They were all really smooth surprisingly. My biggest concern was the middle cylinder but I could BARELY feel any grooves with my fingertip, let alone a fingernail.

However, I also removed each carb and tested the floats. I couldnt force any air through the top or bottom with the carbs upside down, but air flowed easily through the fuel inlet of the middle carb with it upside down.

Is this normal for the middle carb since it feeds the other two?
 

Cmcneal1

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Scratch that idea, I had to close the other port and it blocked the flow... here is a pic of the worst cylinder.

Screenshot_20200528-210744_Gallery.jpg

I did have what looked like pieces of an old impeller stuck in the thermostat but it hasn't overheated.

Maybe check the leaf assembly next? They looked good with a light through the holes behind the carbs. Any advice is appreciated.
 
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do you have the factory service manual? the idle pickup timing is critical. If its off, it will be noticed. unscrew the cam roller set screw from each carb and pull them away from the follower with the motor running first, and see if that makes it idle better. are the linkage clips in good shape? i've had many that were worn, and screwed up the throttle butterfly's from opening in unison properly. when you did the synch n link, you had the throttle cable disconnected, correct? i see many guys get the synch n link correct, then screw it up by not adjusting the throttle cable to the throttle arm properly. the intake manifold may indeed have a bad gasket sucking in air, so inspect and replace.
the next thing i'd do if the fuel and timing checks out only leaves us with the ignition system. i'd test the output of the stator, sensor coil and OHM test the coils.
On the carb: did you measure the float drop according to specs? that's really what matters most, as it dictates when the fuel gets let in.
 

jimmbo

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How did you verify the Gauge Accuracy? 85 psi is Too Low for that engine. I was going to say,Try a different Compression Gauge, but you've already pulled the Head off
That Cylinder Wall doesn't look good, and that is the Intake side, what does the Other Side look like?
Reeds rarely fail.
 

racerone

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This motor needs to come apart !!----There are no " band aids" that can fix the scoring / damaged pistons / rings.
 
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