1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

Uff-da

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Hi, I dont know if i am doing this right; this is my first post, so bare with me. :p

I just purchased my second boat a 1971 Starcraft Falcon.

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As you can see the boat is in pretty good shape only one dent/scratch in the hull on the port side. The transom and floor will need to be replaced. It appears to be originally painted orange? And then later painted multiple colors of what looks like house paint, Awesome...

I plan on doing restoration of sorts. I would like to get it on the water as soon as possible and maybe save some of the detail work till this next winter, But we will see...

Any advice or recommendations is welcome, I dont have any idea what I am doing... :p
 

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

I quess I am the first and probably least experienced of a bunch of Starcraft guys to welcome you here at Iboats. These boats are great projects and you should be able to get her on the water with just about basic handtools and skills. This link will take you to the starcraft owners group where you will find many rebuilds along with a couple good jobs on Falcon. I'am doing a Jupiter right now and refer to it frequently. So congratulations on a nice looking boat and good luck with the resto. http://forums.iboats.com/starcraft-boats/starcraft-rebuilds-restorations-theyre-all-here-494143.html
George
 

ezmobee

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

Great project you got there. Good luck with it and welcome to the forum. You're in good Starcraft company for sure.
 

brnschoneck

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

hiya welcome aboard , lots of knowledge here u will be guided well with any ??? or problems...Good luck SUBSCRIBED ...There is a cheap paint sceam u can do that to me is awesome in the "1961 lonestar flamingo thread " If ur on a tight budget u may wanna check it out ..
 
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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

Welcome to iboats, tin division.. Here's your tin hat :tinfoil3:

And this is the link to the $100 paint job refered to above:
"Paint Your Boat for Under $100 Bucks...Well Almost"

Going back w/ bench seats (the bracket on each side of the hull):
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Did you get it already stripped down?

What's the motor plan?

Great looking project. Good luck.
 

Uff-da

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

Thanks for all the good responses.

I will definitely have to look in to the paint thread, I am a poor college student... Any ideas on a paint scheme? I was thinking about polishing the bottom but that may be a little to adventurous.

Going back w/ bench seats (the bracket on each side of the hull):
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Did you get it already stripped down?

What's the motor plan?

I was thinking about going with bench seats if I can find or make them but I just got the boat last Saturday so I may change my mind. Ill have to do some more daydreaming about in in class, lol

The boat came with what looked like a few spots that were sandblasted? but besides that it has not been striped. The floor of the boat dosent have any paint on it, which is good?

This is the motor plan,

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It is a 1976 Evinrude 55hp short shaft wich is currently attached to my first boat a 14ft fiberglass El-Rae ( I know nothing about it, besides I found it in the weeds... seriously). The El-Rae structural integrity is somewhat of a concern and is why I bought the Starcraft, an upgrade? The motor runs great and have had no problems with it.

Hopefully I will have time this weekend to work on it, maybe pull the transom out. Who knows

P.S. how do I make the pictures bigger in my posts instead of the small ones you click on?
 

GA_Boater

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

Nice first tinny. 55hp should get her scooting.

Larger pics are pasted from a picture hosting site, usually Photobucket. Copy and paste the IMG Code. If you get size errors, we can run you through re-sizing.

BTW - your Starmada dues are paid in full with the posting of pics in your first post. A-OK. Have fun!
 

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When I said stripped, I meant the interior not the paint......

InMotion has a great resto w/ a CHEAP & EASY way to take the paint off the hull & down to bare aluminum if that's the route you want to take:
Interestingly, I stumbled across a really cheap, environmentally friendly and fast way to strip the bottom of the boat! A few posts ago I said that the cheap stripper I was using didn't work... well I thought I would try an experiment this morning. I literally poured the stuff onto the hull and then using a paint brush, smeared it leaving big globs of the stuff everywhere. I left the electric oil heater on medium for the day and tonight around 8:45pm snuck outside and tried to strip the paint off using a metal 2" wide drywall tool... low and behold the paint literally fell off the boat!! In less than 40 minutes 80+ % of the hull is completely stripped! Cost: less than $4.00! Time: less than 40 minutes of labor! Environmental impact: Virtually nill... this stuff worked terrific with no toxic chemicals!

Just thought I would share that... getting the paint off is a normally a big pain and I'll tell you, I will have the boat stripped for less than $15 and way, way quicker than before with way, way less effort! I ran out tonight... but I am going to pick some more up tomorrow and pour it on Wed morning... I'll report back with the results to see that they can be duplicated.
Up next to his user name there where I've quoted him should be a little 'square' w/ 2 '' in it. Click that symbol & it'll open the thread at his post. Read thru from there. Should be details of how & what he used to go 'bare' bottom ;)

If you have a few days to kill, and don't mind getting so many good ideas that you can't keep them sorted out, spend some time going thru the Starcraft restos & projects in the link AJ posted above. Good stuff in there. Lots of good ideas of what to do to & how to work on tin boats.

You are doing this on a budget, so you need to weigh the value of a 'good' enough resto or a great resto. Obviously, great will be more expensive & more involved. Depending on the care it's gotten since your Falcon was new, there may or may not be waterlogged styrofoam below decks. If there is, the deck (floor) should come out & be replaced after you decide what & how you want to treat flotation foam (the styro is 1 of the worst choices. If the foam is wet now, eventually the deck will develop soft spots (rot) and need to be replaced.

The good news is it's a tin boat, so if you want to polish it up a bit & rehab it to serviceable & useable condition, you can do so much easier then a glasser like your El-Rea. The transom replacement, if at all suspect, should be priority 1. It supports your motor & is a major structural component of the boat. It does not have to be in contact w/ the deck & flotation foam, so they may not have to be addressed now if they are sound. If you really want to do this once, and only once, on this boat, you'll want to pull the deck, remove & replace the foam w/ another alternative & reinstall a deck. If sound, & you take it up w/ care, you may even be able to re-lay the existing plywood. If not, try to be careful enough to use the pieces as templates for the new decking.

What is your Falcon rated for @HP? A Jet is 15'+/- and rated for a 50hp. If your Falcon is rated below a 40hp, you'll be fairly over powered. 15hp isn't too much over if it's rated for a 40hp, perhaps it's rated for a 45hp... Some states (& the USCG can) monitor HP's over the posted max of your boat.

1st reason to go thru the SC threads: DO NOT USE PRESSURE TREATED PLYWOOD for your resto. It is expensive, heavy and when exposed to water, caustic to aluminum.

2nd reason: Flotation foam, there are several options.

3rd: Tons of good info

4th: Yeah, we just like looking at pix & talking about tin boats :cool:

Open a photobucket acct, its free, and under/beside each pix you add, there will be an IMG code in a small text box. Copy that IMG code, it'll look something like this:
IMG]http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/KGrHqFksFB1KqMNDpBQoSkoTWqg48_20_zpsdf2d610b.jpg[/IMG

And the pix shows up nice & big IN your post, that way we don't have to click & open an attachment. Makes it easier to scroll back & forth & look at pix, compare 1 to the next, and make comments about the content of the pix:
IMG]http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg618/jbcurt00/other%20people%20boats%20or%20pix%20info/KGrHqFksFB1KqMNDpBQoSkoTWqg48_20_zpsdf2d610b.jpg[/IMG]

Specifically for the pix of your boat I posted, I opened the attachment, right clicked the mouse on the pix, copied the image, and pasted it IN my reply:
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El-Rae you say, in the weeds, free I presume, with that 55hp Rude still on it?? Score.

That is an ideal 'donor' boat. You will find that reference a bunch in the tin restos....
 

Uff-da

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

When I said stripped, I meant the interior not the paint......

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El-Rae you say, in the weeds, free I presume, with that 55hp Rude still on it?? Score.

Oh yea this interior is gone nothing came with the boat.

No i got the motor from my parents for my birthday couple of years ago. I have been running the El-Rae for about five years now. I had a 1956 Evinrude 30 hp on it first. Ran like a champ too but I needed more power.

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( looks who's learning :p )
 

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Fairly scarce glasser you got there. Here's 1 places you might want to read thru about El-Rae's:

Iboats

Not Iboats

:cool:

I didn't say rare or valuable. But I think it deserves a shot at a resto too............

And now back to our topic: Talking Tin...........
 

Bwana Don

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Falcon, COOL!!!!!! I like Falcons best of the 14 foot Starcrafts. Oh heck if it's a tin Starcraft I like it. I see the gang is helping you out, your in good hands. There's a bunch of great guys on here.

Good luck
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Uff-da

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

I have been doing some research on flotation foam and this may be a dumb question but; what is flotation foam under the floor for? Is it there to keep the boat afloat if it capsizes/sinks? I have a boat load (pun intended?) of empty water bottles, dont ask why, whats your opinions on using them?
 

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Yes, generally speaking, flotation foam is supposed to keep a swamped boat floating in an upright & level position. Making recovery of the boat easier, but more importantly, giving the passenger's something to hang on to while awaiting aid. People AND a boat are much easier to find then an individual's head & shoulders bobbing up & down in the waves.

In a tin boat, foam will also act as sound deaden. Particularly the expanding pourable foam, when done correctly it can fully fill a void & bond to both the hull, the stringers & the bottom side of the deck. This offers the best structural support & most sound deadening, but also has downsides. Most notable is that it prevents water draining past it to allow the bilge pump to pump any water over the side. It can become waterlogged & of no real value. That can be prevented w/ routine maintenance & storing the boat bow high & well covered against the weather.

As air temps rise & fall, the bottles would expand & contract. I suspect you'd notice the bottles rubbing against each other &/or the hull or rattling against the hull over time unless you secured them to minimize movement.

The pink or blue rigid insulation available at HD or Lowes comes in several thicknesses, allows for well filled below deck compartments & won't become water logged over time. I would definitely prefer it to bottles.

Depending on how your boat was built, flotation foam could also remove deck flexibility underfoot when you're walking around in the boat. The maker HAD to add foam after 1973 (some did earlier) so if they could use 3/8" or 1/2" plywood for the deck (instead of 5/8" or 3/4") & save money by filling below deck w/ expanding foam, they would. To the original buyer, there was no change in the structural stiffness of the deck, so originally it didn't matter that the deck was only 3/8" plywood.

It's only now, after 25-45yrs, that the plywood's turned to yard mulch, and we're rebuilding them, that the thickness of the deck is debatable. I'd use foam of some sort as flotation, not bottles, and if I could use 1/2" instead of 5/8" or 3/4", and also save money, I might.

Hope that ^^^ all helps...
 

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Yes, generally speaking, flotation foam is supposed to keep a swamped boat floating in an upright & level position. Making recovery of the boat easier, but more importantly, giving the passenger's something to hang on to while awaiting aid. People AND a boat are much easier to find then an individual's head & shoulders bobbing up & down in the waves.

Exactly!


Bottles in a larger boat, like Jasonoutsides Islander. A smaller Falcon, I don't think so. Extruded foam board is a better choice.
 

Uff-da

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

Ok, good news bad news. Bad news it snowed on friday, rained on Saturday and today I had homework to do so I din't get to work on the boat. Good news is though I found some left over pink foam board to use for flotation. Yea for saving money

I have been thinking about the flooring lately, When I go boating its with my friends and we waterski, tube, and such so we are always getting in and out of the water a lot. I was thinking then instead of going the plywood and carpet method to plank it like a deck. I have access too a wood shop and if i say so myself I am pretty handy at woodworking. Is this a crazy idea? I hope I am not the first to try this
 

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Re: 1976 14ft Starcraft Falcon restoration

Thanks for all the good responses.

I will definitely have to look in to the paint thread, I am a poor college student... Any ideas on a paint scheme? I was thinking about polishing the bottom but that may be a little to adventurous.
Thats a nice looking Falcon. Congrats on the great find. I almost bought a '68 Falcon at a consignment auction last year but had too many projects underway at that time. I should have bought it anyway. I could have had the boat, motor, & trailer for under $200. As for painting on a tight budget, I just finished painting my '66 Starcraft Jupiter with Rust-oleum Professional High Performance Protective Enamel. Scuffed the original paint with a 3M scuff pads (original paint was in great shape, just wearing thin), cleaned the surface really good, and painted the Jupiter with a 4" cabinet/door foam roller. It turned out pretty good. I went with Gloss White & Safety Yellow. It should get me by for a few years until I can afford a full resto.
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The goal with flotation is in the case of swamping, your boat does this http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/063Small.jpg as opposed to sinking to the bottom like a rock.


I was planning on new foam in my Jupiter but due to budget and a time crunch before my vacation I will just have to take the chance of my '66 Starcraft "sinking to the bottom like a rock" for this season. If that happens, it will be at the bottom off the coast of NC during testing, or be at the bottom of Lake Powell on the Arizona/Utah state line. I prefer it not go to the bottom at all but if it happens, I hope its at Lake Powell so I will have a better chance of recovering it and it will be fresh water in the motor. My last Starcraft was named "Leaky-One". I wonder if I should name the Jupiter "Blub-Blub" or "Sinky-One"?
 
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