1977 Cobalt 19BR Floor Rebuild/Engine Replacement

nate2k5

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Well I bought this boat last fall for $950 and I'm finally working on getting it summer ready. My budget is small and my time short and longevity is not a concern right now. The floor is trash and the bulkhead and front floor support are collapsed. On top of that one motor mount pad is collapsed. I'm working on making it as solid as possible for the summer. I'm not sure if I have the time to sort out the fiberglass and rebuild the supports so I'm looking at options to build over it.

I took out the seats/side panels and carpet the other day to get a better idea what I'm working with.






 

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longevity is not a concern right now.

How about your longevity and the longevity of your passengers, is that a concern?

Fix it right or keep it on the trailer until you have enough money to fix it right.

Cosmetics and non essential accessories like a loud stereo can wait... structural issues like rotten decking, stringers/bulkheads, motor mounts, transom, and saturated foam can't wait and need to be addressed to make your boat seaworthy. There aren't any "temporary" fixes for rotten structural components and saturated floatation foam.

Instead of dumping gas money into a rotten boat to risk your life and everyones around you, use your fuel budget to repair your boat properly.

That's a nice boat and worthy of proper repairs.
 

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How about your longevity and the longevity of your passengers, is that a concern?

Fix it right or keep it on the trailer until you have enough money to fix it right.

Cosmetics and non essential accessories like a loud stereo can wait... structural issues like rotten decking, stringers/bulkheads, motor mounts, transom, and saturated foam can't wait and need to be addressed to make your boat seaworthy. There aren't any "temporary" fixes for rotten structural components and saturated floatation foam.

Instead of dumping gas money into a rotten boat to risk your life and everyones around you, use your fuel budget to repair your boat properly.

That's a nice boat and worthy of proper repairs.

Ayuh,... Agreed,... Ya gotta get yer priorities straight,....

If the motor mounts are rotten, the transom is too...
There ain't no Bandaids for such repairs...
 

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It really isn't so bad to.restore a boat properly if you are an optimistic person. It is time consuming, though, especially if it's all new to you. It can be funded a little at a time to ease the cost. I think having a nice, sound boat is worth the money and the sweat!

My father has a bay liner that he put a false deck over the original soft floor. Its been that way for three years. That thing pops and creaks in ways I doubt are good, and the windshield gap has grown a noticeable amount. That means the hull sides are growing further apart from one another. I have finally convinced him to let us rebuild it...this coming winter :mad:. Don't put your boat through that.
 

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Re: 1977 Cobalt 19BR Floor Rebuild/Engine Replacement

why is the transom assumed bad if the motor mount is?
 

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why is the transom assumed bad if the motor mount is?

Because of the close proximity, rot is like a spreading cancer.

If there's been enough water/moisture to rot your m/m your transom will more than likely be affected too.
 

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why is the transom assumed bad if the motor mount is?

Why if a collapsed motor mount is a known problem you're trying to address, why not post a pix of the mounts, bilge area and the keyhole.

Don't think of assumed as the popular u & me definition, it's to err on the side of caution & to prevent costly rework later.

IF you need to redo a motor mount, its somewhat likely you'll need to pull the motor, IF you want the motor to stay where it is supposed to stay: bolted to the m/m & attached to the outdrive thru the keyhole in the transom

Now the motors out, it will never be easier to pull the outdrive & give it some much needed attention. Most boats that suffer from neglect, rot & poor maintenance in 1 area, also usually suffer from neglect & poor maintenance in other areas.

You now have unrestricted access to the mostly bare transom and can closely examine the keyhole. There is no downside to taking some core samples @1.5" deep w/ a 3/8" drill bit from the INSIDE. Wet, dark wood shavings are NOT good, dry light are GOOD. Around both sides, top & bottom near the keyhole, and near other thru hull attachments (U-bolts, ladder/swim platform etc). On a 19' boat, 10 samples isn't too many.

Use tape to mark 1.5" drill bit:
depth-gauge-11.jpg


Once you put it all back together, YOU'LL KNOW it's as good or better then it ever was. No question it'll provide years of safe & reliable service.


Let's compare that to a less involved rehab, still done to maximize safety & reliability (but doesn't include any transom work, which for me makes safe & reliable suspect):
You fix everything that looks like it needs to be done, so probably remove the motor, put leave the outdrive installed, fix the m/m and a piece of a stringer or 2. They are usually in contact with the m/m (transom is too, as JIg said), as they were likely built in contact before any glass work originally, which is 1 reason they rot too. Replace the deck you removed to gain access the m/m & stringers. And put the boat back in service....

Perhaps 1 of the stringers has damage that wasn't easily (if at all) found. Maybe there was 1 thru bolt (ladder maybe) that was allowing water to infiltrate your transom. Encased in fiberglass, that moisture will eventually lead to rot. And you'll be right back where you started, taking the motor out, the outdrive off, all the exterior stuff bolted to or thru the transom, the deck (all again, for the 2nd time) and the transom, some portion of m/m, and stringers. Plus removing the entire interior again.

Will it be in 1 season, 2, 3, 5?

No way to KNOW, but it will involve redoing much of the work you're considering now, and more. Add that to the expense of doing it the 1st time, and you've spent MORE then if you'd done more the 1st time.

And you can now safely tell any & all 'welcome aboard' a safe & reliable boat.

Nobody is suggesting to take a sawzall to your boat & removing EVERYTHING w/out doing due diligence 1st. But you do need to be aware that it MAY be much more involved, much more expensive & more time consuming then you thought/planned.
 

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Re: 1977 Cobalt 19BR Floor Rebuild/Engine Replacement

thanks for the info jbcurt00, i'll take some core samples and see what I'm dealing with. i just really want to get this thing on the water this summer...if only to motor a mile from the dock to party cove :happy:
 

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thanks for the info jbcurt00, i'll take some core samples and see what I'm dealing with. i just really want to get this thing on the water this summer...if only to motor a mile from the dock to party cove :happy:
If it is compromised, it isn't a good idea to even put it in the water, mile to party cove or not. Or safe IMHO.

Very few are looking for an expensive, long & time consuming project, most 'just' want to go boating like you. Unfortunately, that isn't the case w/ low cost boats, or low cost 'fixes'.

But for $1500-2000, and the original cost of the boat, you'll end up w/ a boat that is significantly better then 99% of the boats for sale at twice what you'll have invested. And you'll know that it's safe & reliable, many $7500 boats have similar problems below decks, some sellers know it, some don't.

If you encounter a problem while underway, even at idle, you can't just pull over & get out. It also tends to ruin an outing w/ friends/family, and that can often have even more dire consequences beyond the loss of friendship. If it sinks, there is LOTS to consider beyond what you've lost in terms of the boat. Some places there's a fine per day for the sinking, some places you CAN't recover it yourself even if you are equipped to do so. None of that is cheap either....
 

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I agree with JBC 100%!!! ^^^^^^^
 

nate2k5

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ok, so my budget situation has become a little better so i'm going to see whats all bad and replace it. i'm hoping it's only the front bulkhead and motor mount but we'll see. do i need to fiberglass everything in or is glue and epoxy enough? also how do i go about removing the currently fiberglassed in parts. i'm not sure where it starts and ends.
 

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Everything needs to be glassed in. Bulkheads add a lot of strength, but would be much less effective if not glassed in. The fiberglass is where at least half the strength comes from. It ties everything together as one piece. It is not just for sealing. You should read a lot of restos. Been there and had to do that myself.

I've read a lot, and asked too many questions, and I kinda sorta think I know what to do, but I still make a point to read at least a few new restoration pages each day, and I've stumbled across a lot of things I needed to know in doing so.
 

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You'll be really glad you decided to fix your boat the right way. Sure, it's going to take some time and money... but it'll be well worth it when you're finished. You'll get a like new boat for a small fraction of the price of a new one.
 

nate2k5

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Re: 1977 Cobalt 19BR Floor Rebuild/Engine Replacement

is there anything i need to do this that i can't find locally at like a menards or lowes?
 

jigngrub

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Fiberglassing supplies are usually hard to find locally, and if you do find them they'll be marked way up. Shopping online for fiberglass supplies will save you money and give you a much bigger selection because there's more competition.

Lots of folkes on here (including myself) use USComposites for their boat building supplies like fiberglass resin, mat/cloth, and expanding foam.

Fiberglass , Epoxy , Composites, Carbon Fiber - U.S. Composites, Inc.
 

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Where abouts are you Nate? Jig is correct, US Comps is great.

But hazmat shipping from Florida may be a huge expense if you're in Washington state. There are other suppliers that have warehouses in several parts of the country. 1 of them might be close enough for a drive & pickup instead of delivery.
 

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Re: 1977 Cobalt 19BR Floor Rebuild/Engine Replacement

I am in eastern Iowa. Is 1.5oz strand mat good enough for everything i need to do with it? motor mounts, bulkhead, etc.
 

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I am in eastern Iowa. Is 1.5oz strand mat good enough for everything i need to do with it? motor mounts, bulkhead, etc.

No

I think that's all covered in WoodOnGlass's graphic:
"Fabricating Decks, Stringers, and Transoms"

You'll want 1.5oz CSM (Chopped Strand Mat, may or may not be the same 1.5oz strand mat you asked about) & 1708 Bi-axial cloth.

WOG seems to know where suppliers are located in many parts of the country. Hit him w/ a PM if he doesn't swing by in the next day or so. Lots going in Oklahoma, so he may be busy for a bit still...

Boatnut74 is out that way too, in Nebraska, he's doing both glass & tin resto's, so you might hit him w/ a PM if WOG isn't by soon.
 
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