1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

vladens

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Hi!
New here on the forum. Never had any dealing with boats before, but am trying to learn everything slowly.
Just acquired recently this boat from someone I know after it sat unused for few years; cleaned up carbs, got it running, bought all the rest of necessary equipment, and put it in the water. First 2 times it ran really nice & strong; yesterday went fishing with my friends, and I'm pretty sure we went into some really shallow waters. When leaving the place my friend took off pretty fast, and I could totally see a lot of dirt in the water behind us. We went full speed across a lake, and by the time we got to a canal "HOT" light came on. We slowed down, let it cool down while moving only in idle. After light was off for few minutes we took off again, and light was back on pretty quickly.
We stopped for a longer time then, took a swim, and let the engine cool down for about 30 minutes; on the way back though light was coming any time if we would go past half throttle for a little while. It was a long ride back.
Every time when it gets hot you can actually some some steam coming out of the back; not a whole lot (not under pressure), but noticeable.
Obviously my thought is we picked something up while going through shallow water, and it's not cooling enough. Logical, right?
Coincidentally our battery died right before we went through shallow stuff.... But that shouldn't affect anything because pump is mechanically driven, correct?

What's my next step? How do I make sure water is flowing through at a good rate? There is no pee-hole in this engine as far as I can tell.
Do I need to take the take off the lower unit?

Any help & tips are greatly appreciated. I'm looking for easier ways to check/fix first; if there isn't an easy way, then we'll move on to harder ones.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

You probably picked up mud/sand in your intake which the the screen on the lower unit. It then moved up into the water passages in the engine. You can try taking the lower unit off and putting a hose on teh water tube and see if you can flush somethinng out but I bet you won't. You can take your thermostat cover out and see if there is gunk in it. With it out you can take a piece of flexible wire and try to run it though the passage. When you do this take the hose off of the fitting where it pees out so it gets a more open flow. If you can run water through it with a hose you may be able to push it out there or the tstat holes while using the wire. You also might have picked up some crap that partially destroyed your water pump. While you have the lower unit off you might as well changed it as it should have been changed after it sat for so long.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

If you have never changed the water pump impeller during your ownership of this engine, time to do so. You need to be assured that it is in good condition before you take the boat out and run the risk of getting stranded. Same for the vernatherm (thermostat). Both are good preventative maint. items. You only need the battery for starting, as once the engine starts, the ignition system makes it's own electrical power. If you battery died, your engine charging system (separate from the ignition system) may not be working-check your rectifier.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

OK, thanks for the answers.
I'll try all this as soon as I get a chance....
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

OK, so I unbolted the lower unit, lowered it to the ground, but the shaft is still inside in the mid section. Of course I understand that if I tilt the motor I'll get more clearance to pull it out completely, BUT there is also a hose (or wire?) coming down through mid section alongside the shaft. This hose goes into a shift assembly (at least according to parts fiche that's what it is), and it's restricting me from getting the lower unit out.... Any advise?
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I also unbolted the water pump housing and saw couple chunks of rubber fall out; I'm assuming that's from the impeller?
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Also I'm trying to figure out where is the thermostat housing; is this it?
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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

Put get gearhouse up back and install one screw.
Pull up the electric shift cable and disconnect (stb side engine)
Tie a piece of string to the cabe (gear-box end), makes it easier to get it back up!
Remove the screw and drop the gearcase.
The rubber pieces looks like broken impeller wings.
The thermostat is in the housing where the two rubber hoses goes in from the heads.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

Put get gearhouse up back and install one screw.
Pull up the electric shift cable and disconnect (stb side engine)
Tie a piece of string to the cabe (gear-box end), makes it easier to get it back up!
Remove the screw and drop the gearcase.
The rubber pieces looks like broken impeller wings.
The thermostat is in the housing where the two rubber hoses goes in from the heads.

Thanks, I will do that!
I'll just need to find where this shift cable needs to be disconnected. I looked a bit yesterday, but it was late & I was tired... So, will let you guys know if I still have any problems.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

You may be mistaken regarding the age of this engine. The last year for the electric shift lower units and that Motorola amplifier was 1972.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

That's not a '77 thermostat housing either.
 

vladens

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

You may be mistaken regarding the age of this engine. The last year for the electric shift lower units and that Motorola amplifier was 1972.

That's not a '77 thermostat housing either.

That's very possible that I might be wrong. I'm only going by the owner's manual that came with the boat, and it says 1977.
So, what year (or year range) do you guys think this motor is?

Also, would you guys know where can I find a serial # on this thing, or anything else that would help me determine the year?
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

At least the 72 fits your thermostat system, go here for a parts breakdown:
http://www.marineengine.com/parts/j...&manufacturer=Johnson&section=Exhaust+Housing

Gearcase with electric shift solenoid and water pump, here:
http://www.marineengine.com/parts/j...5ESL72R&manufacturer=Johnson&section=Gearcase

Model number which determine year and type is normally on port side engine mount bracket, moght be lucky and find a welch plug on top of the powerhead.

The model number for Evinrude 72 is 85293R (85hp).
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

At least the 72 fits your thermostat system, go here for a parts breakdown:
http://www.marineengine.com/parts/j...&manufacturer=Johnson&section=Exhaust+Housing

Gearcase with electric shift solenoid and water pump, here:
http://www.marineengine.com/parts/j...5ESL72R&manufacturer=Johnson&section=Gearcase

Model number which determine year and type is normally on port side engine mount bracket, moght be lucky and find a welch plug on top of the powerhead.

The model number for Evinrude 72 is 85293R (85hp).

Thanks a lot!
Now it makes sense why some things didn't match between my engine and the parts fiche for '77 85hp. These pictures look more like my engine!
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

So, I got everything out and bought a new impeller today. Everything else seemed in pretty good shape. I also made sure water flow isn't restricted anywhere. Thermostat housing looked pretty good except for couple really small rubber pieces (assuming that's from deteriorated impeller) and something that looked like peeled-off chunk of red paint.
I will be re-installing everything tonight when I get home. Hopefully that's all that it needs now...
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

sounds like you found your blockage. good luck with the test run.
 

vladens

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

PLEASE HELP! Having really hard time re-installing lower unit. I can get it in only 1 (or less) left to go, and just can't get any further.... Any tips?
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

Either your driveshaft splines does not line up or the pump does not line up with the water tubes.
Have someone turning the flywheel while you push up the housing.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

Either your driveshaft splines does not line up or the pump does not line up with the water tubes.
Have someone turning the flywheel while you push up the housing.

Thanks! I paniced a bit too early; I just had to align it better... Kinda hard to do that when you don't have anyone to help.
Got it all back together and it runs great!!! I think motor itself runs better?! Idk, it jist seems like it does....
Thanks everyone for help. Gonna try and get it in the water tomorrow.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

One more question! How do you suppose to charge these marine batteries? I only used mine 3 times, and now it failed. Had it on a charger for couple hours, and it only turned engine once. 2 weeks old battery. I took it to Walmart and exchanged it.... Buddy of mine is telling that I could've killed it because I used a "speed charger"; he says I should use slow charger for deep cycle batteries. Is that true?
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

A general rule is not to use more than 10% of the batteries capacity.
In short, a 100Amp Hour battery should be charged with max 10Amps.
Check the charging voltage on your engine, it should be at least 13,5 Volts, engine at 3000 rpm.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 85 hp overheating - please advise...

Hard to tell where you have your marine batteries connected from your description. Most deep cycle batteries are not made to be used as a typical starting battery. Hopefully you are using a marine starting battery for the engine. If your batteries are new, I'd check for a battery current draw when everything is shut off. Possible you have a light on in a compartment, or some other constant battery draw. Use your household voltmeter for this.
 
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