1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Final Update - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc...

ZigZaggin

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I will be the first to tell you that I am not a seasoned outboard technician. However, with the info I have found on this site and the amount of work I have done using my OEM Merc service manual and seloconline subscription I thought I was getting pretty good! WRONG... Recently I discovered that the #4 hole on my Inline 90 was dead. After following the manuals troubleshooting procedures etc I ended up swapping my swithboxes (about 45min to change 20 wires around) only to discover I had a dead #4 coil. Would've been nice if the manual had me check that before swapping switchboxes! So, at this point I am pretty proud of myself and feel that I saved some money and even better my boat was running great and kicking some major ***** compared to they way it was performing before.

With my motor woes behind me, yesterday I was out fishing and we were screaming down the channel wide open and all of the sudden, boom! the motor cuts out and winds down to about 2500 RPM and will pretty much only idle... I hit the throttle and no matter what I can only get to 2500 RPM and it's bogging horribly. Fuel bulb is hard etc but it's 8 MPH max back to the dock and that was it. Also, my voltage guage was pegged at 18V !

I get home and with a Walleye tournament scheduled for this Sunday I frantically go through the procedures... I have spark, I have compression, everything seems fine. I quickly decide I don't have time to waste on my amatuer skills so I call Tommy Unley (unleymarine.com) and tell him my situation. He was nice enough to get me in right away so I dropped the boat off last night and today he calls me and says he found the problem... Loose ground wires and a water leak that is getting my coils wet! Im like, are you kidding me? Loose ground wires? Luckily the water outlet at the top of the block was just a little loose so he sealed that up and tightened it.

He told me that when I had my coils apart and swapped my switchboxes I didn't tighten the ground wires well enough and that they vibrated loose. There were 3 coil grounds that were so loose he could turn the nut with his finger and on the bottom switchbox the phillips screw (lower right corner) was also completely loose and had almost fallen out.

I have read about 3 posts on here that detailed the exact same symptoms I had. Motor running great at wide open and then all of sudden nothing and the motor will only idle. Tommy explained to me that the ignition system is designed to work with a certain load on it and with my switchbox and coil grounds failing, the DC side of the system didn't have enough load on it causing the high DC voltage. Luckily I didn't cook my battery. He said I know it's aluminum but don't be afraid to get it super tight. He put blue loctite on the threads of all the failed grounds.

We took it to the ramp tonight and sure enough she ran like a dream again. No parts even had to be bought. Hopefully this helps someone. Sorry if I get a little wordy. I like details. I'll let ya know if everything holds through Sunday!
 

achris

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Kill that mechanic!!! before he goes bad.... Sounds like you got a good one there... He's been honest and fixed your problems with the less amount of fuss. He's a keeper.

And I total agree with him... Loose grounds cause all sorts of nasties.

Chris.......
 

ZigZaggin

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Fished the tournament on Sunday and it ran great to our first spot. 5200 RPM and solid the whole way. Shut it down and fished for about 40 min and on the way to the next spot, just as we got up on plane something happened and we dropped to 4000 RPM and 25 mph. Ran that way consistently the rest of the day. Probably not good for it. Maybe a total of 2hrs total run time that day. Took it back to Tom on Monday and no spark on #4 again. Coil checked ok on ohms. I'll let ya know what he finds out.
 

ZigZaggin

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Bad switchbox. He ran full ignition system test (Low & High Speed stator output, trigger coils, ignition coils, etc). What a coincidence that it was the same #4 cylinder but now the switchbox is faulty. Anyway, am replacing with CDI boxes and hopefully they last. I'm starting to learn that Mercury ignition systems are kinda fickle. I heard that CDI was a good product. Anyone here used it? How did it hold up?

thanks,
-zig
 

saumon

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

I heard that CDI was a good product. Anyone here used it? How did it hold up?
-zig

Better than Merc and cheaper. Go figure!
 

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

I have an 1985 Mariner 50 hp and I am having similar problems. Its not as bad but it is similar. I can't get to full RPM's or speed. last summer it never got there and the year before it would 'kick in' after it ran for a while and get to top RPM and speed but it was a bit iffy as to if or when it would do so. I am sure the gas line is fine and ball stays hard etc and the fuel filter was clean when I looked at that. I have herd of the electrical issues causing similar problems but Im not the best mechanic, in fact have been described as a tool phobe lol. Is the switchbox change a tough procedure? Is it worth trying that first or what kind of tests can I do to figure out if that is an issue. Any help I could get would be most appreciated. thanks
 

ZigZaggin

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Just some helpful advice

Replacing a switchbox is really pretty simple. Just make sure you get your connections tight! I ended up with some loose grounds which may have contributed to the switchbox failing. When I swapped mine I took a picture with my digital camera so as not to forget which wires go where but the Merc switchboxes are labeled anyway. Don't know if the CDI ones are?

I wouldn't reccomend just replacing parts as that might be expensive. To replace the whole ignition system (stator, trigger, and switch boxes) with CDI components on my motor was going to be about $560 just for the parts. And when you replace a triggger & stator you have to pull the flywheel and make sure it is installed and indexed correctly.

To fully test your ignition system you need a DVA meter, ohm meter, timing light, etc and also need to know what you're looking for. I am pretty mechanically inclined but have learned that there is no substitute for experience. I am skeptical of marine shops, etc who may or may not actually have done the work they charge you for. I had a really bad experience with one shop but have now found a really good local mechanic reccomended to me by a family friend. Someday I'd like to find a troubled inline 6 and completely rebuild the whole motor. Mid section, block, lower unit... the whole thing. But I have a bit to learn between now and then.
 

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Final Update

Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc... Final Update

First off I need to corect the info I've posted about the WMK-23 (WM-23) carburetor (different thread but maybe someone read it) used as a replacement when I dropped and cracked the original middle WMK-39 carb (Bad Day). After the #4 coil and 2 new CDI switchboxes the motor would run perfect on the first run at WOT. This started on Sunday, March 21st (First Walleye Tournament). I took it out again after that and the exact same thing happened. Ran great to first spot but then after fishing for a while and heading to another spot she would bog down and I would only get 4000 rpm.

Follwing Tom's advice to not run the motor much above idle when it was doing that I decided to call him even though it was Saturday. As luck would have it he was heading to his shop which was very close to where we were fishing. This was my first time out since the Tournament. What I love about the guy is his dedication to a problem. He met us at the ramp with a timing light and DVA meter. Everything in the ignition system checked out so with the cowl off and running at WOT he individually put his hand over each of the the three carbs. The engine stumbled a couple of times... Then he had me back it down to an idle. He put his hand over the middle (WM-23) carb and told me to slam the throttle. There was a big difference. The sound and power were definitely better! The boat picked up about 400 RPM that way but wasn't 100%. He had to keep his hand over that middle carb to keep the RPM's from falling. Even when I pushed the key in to run the enrichener it didn't help. He said that midlle carb was not supplying enough fuel at WOT and had less suction than the other 2. Because the carb had to be "hand choked" it would never get enough air but did supply more fuel that way. He said most likely it had a restriction and to never run lean! Either that or the bore was different but that didn't explain why it would run great to the first spot. He said you know, the pattern is that you put the boat on the trailer, bounce it around a little bit and then it runs good on that first run until you shut it down the first time. He was pretty sure it was a restricition. Anyway, he said I better get the right carb and not run the motor again until I had it on there.

Striking out locally and at a couple of online used marine parts sites I reached out to the forum. With the help of some really great people on this forum I was directed to a guy in Seattle who is an inline enthusiast and had a whole set of WMK-39's. He had em to me in 3 days. They were complete and exact matches. I cleaned the middle carb in the set, put a rebuild kit in it, and installed it. Ever since then the motor has been unstoppable and great.

I got a stainless 18 pitch mercury vengeance prop on ebay for $115 (brand new) and a hub kit for $30. Tops out about 42 mph downstream on the Mississippi and about 35 mph upstream at 4800 rpm. I know they say not to run these inlines below 5000 but I figured that was close enough? With a 17 pitch aluminum I was running 5300 so the 500 rpm drop on a 1" pitch change doesn't seem quite right. I guess stainless is less flexible and harder for the motor to turn?

Thanks again to everyone on this forum. Definitely a valued resource. Hopefully my story helps.
 

saumon

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Final Update - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc...

...and it's also appreciated when people take time to post a follow up like you do!
 

ZigZaggin

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Final Update - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc...

Dude I know... I read tons of threads on here but most of em just go dead and the final resolution is never known :/ I hate that. That's not useful. Anyway, glad to hear that someone appreciated the post
 

achris

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Re: 1985 90 HP Inline 6 - Final Update - Bogging, Loss of RPM, etc...

Count me in with 'saumon' too. I love a happy ending. :D
And nice of you to take the time to tell us all the details....

Thanks.....
 
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