1986 Johnson 150 HP Loss of Top End RPM’s

Terrapin

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Engine is a 1986 Johnson 150 HP outboard. The motor is on a 1986 Boston Whaler Outrage 18.<br /><br />The problem I encountered, on my initial shakedown run last season, was an occasional loss of power when accelerating. For example, on occasion the RPM’S would drop off dramatically upon acceleration, but when I would pull back on the throttle and accelerate again, the problem would go away, and the engine would perform fine. The engine historically, and even with this “bogging” problem could be trimmed out, with just me in it, to run at 5400 rpm and 47 mph (paddle wheel for reference speed only). <br /><br />When back home (70 miles from water) I then added some Waterzorb, replaced the Racor fuel water separator, and replaced and moved the primer bulb from a horizontal to a vertical orientation since that is something I wanted to change. Prior to splashing the boat again for the summer, I asked my mechanic to take a quick look at the engine to insure nothing was dramatically wrong. He performed his examination in a dyno tank and informed me that the engine was occasionally dropping a cylinder. Therefore, he replaced one of the power packs.<br /><br />Upon splashing the boat for the summer, I accelerated to wide open throttle only to discover that wide open throttle now produced only 4800 RPM’s and a top speed of 38 mph (via paddle wheel). Other than that, the boat seemed to accelerate normally onto plane (no bogging as described above), but just didn’t have the top end 5400 RPM’s.<br /><br />I took the motor back into the shop and explained that after the replacement of the power pack the max RPM at WOT is now only 4800 RPM vs. the historical 5400 RPM. The only thing they could find was the compression of one cylinder running approximately 15 psi below the other 5 cylinders.<br /><br />I’m having a tough time accepting that this 600 RPM loss can be attributed to one cylinder reading 10 to 15 psi below the other five cylinders (although I realize this is not good). The change in RPM’s coincided with the replacement of the powerpack. In addition, I’m wandering whether the initial run “bogging” problem was simply first run old fuel or water in fuel problems. Does anyone have any thoughts on what I should have looked at next? Is there any chance the powerpack was wired improperly? Is there possibly a problem with the timer base or trigger? Is the engine carboned up? I believe I only have about 60 hours on the engine since I last decarboned the engine. I’m attempting to access my financial exposure with this engine.<br /><br />In a nut shell my engine initially ran at a maximum 5400 RPM and 47 MPH. After replacing one battery pack, the engine now runs at a maximum 4800 RPM and 38 MPH.<br /><br />Sorry this is long winded, but I want to insure I provide enough information.
 

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Re: 1986 Johnson 150 HP Loss of Top End RPM’s

Howdy, Terrapin.<br /><br />Welcome to iboats. :) <br /><br />Well, the powerpack could be faulty, but I think there is something else going on.<br /><br />Each cylinder on that engine has its own carb throat and jets. One may be running a bit lean because of a partially clogged jet or other problem at higher rpm, which could account for lowering compression.<br /><br />To verify which cylinder (if any) is failing to make full power you can get it on a dyno and disable each cylinder in turn. Once you have verified that it is one cylinder not pulling, you can then get into the fuel and ignition systems and troubleshoot for that cylinder.<br /><br />My money is on a carb problem. . .debris.<br /><br />Good luck. :) , and
 

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Re: 1986 Johnson 150 HP Loss of Top End RPM’s

A good test for spark....take an inductive timing light out with you. With the boat underway, check each cylinder for spark with the timing light. Or, while at the dock, the engine running and warm, start pulling off spark plug leads. Look for the one that dosen't make a change in the way the engine is idling.<br /><br />What plugs are you using and how do they look?<br /><br />What we are trying to do here is to eliminate the ignition system from the problem.<br /><br />Keep us posted.
 

reeldutch

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Re: 1986 Johnson 150 HP Loss of Top End RPM’s

do you have the compresin numbers.<br />15 pounds in difference doesnt sound that good.<br />especially if it is in one bank.<br /><br />say if your numbers are 90 90 75<br />i would pull the head off to take a peak.<br />before doing any thing else.<br />make shure your rings and walls are fine and asume nothing.<br /><br />good luck
 

Terrapin

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Re: 1986 Johnson 150 HP Loss of Top End RPM’s

Guys, thanks for the replies. I will add some additional information to hopefully help out with the diagnosis.<br /><br />Spark: Although I did not check myself, my mechanic informed me that I had good spark on all cylinders.<br /> <br />Compression: I checked my paperwork and found the compression numbers are as follows: <br />#1 95 psi <br />#2 95 psi <br />#3 75 psi (I was initially told this cylinder was 10 – 15 psi lower, but paperwork shows 20 psi lower) <br />#4 95 psi <br />#5 95 psi<br />#6 95 psi <br /><br />My mechanic told me the number 3 cylinder has scoring on the cylinder wall & some burning on top of the piston.<br /><br />As I mentioned above, prior to having one of the power packs replaced the engine ran at a maximum 5400 RPM and 47 MPH. After replacing the one power pack, the engine runs at a maximum 4800 RPM and 38 MPH. Would the loss of RPM's at wide open throttle occur this quickly (like overnight) due to the scored cylinder wall, or is something else contributing? Would decarbing the engine restore any of the compression in the #3 cylinder?
 

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Re: 1986 Johnson 150 HP Loss of Top End RPM’s

I think the scoring is a symptom of what is causing your loss of power, Terrapin.<br /><br />Almost surely #3 is running too lean.
 

reeldutch

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Re: 1986 Johnson 150 HP Loss of Top End RPM’s

you can not expect thet motor to make full power.<br />JB is right the scoring is a sympthom.<br />if you keep running like that im shure you will loose another piston/cylinder.<br /><br />the motor in this condition will only loose rpms.<br />you can replace part after part but it aint gonna help.<br /><br />pull off the cylinder head take some pics and post them.<br /><br />may be the experts can tell you what is going on.<br />may be you where lugging???<br />i dont know.<br />there are a lot of explanations for this scored piston<br />but from this point keep running it will only make it worse.<br /><br />sorry to tell you <br /><br />keep posting <br />thers a lot of guys who can help you here.
 
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