1988 Evinrude 70hp help

tashasdaddy

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

that means that cylinder is not running. it is getting spark, but the combustion is not taking place. idea, try using a different plug from another cylinder. the spark plug could be bad, going to ground, and not to the element.
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

that means that cylinder is not running. it is getting spark, but the combustion is not taking place. idea, try using a different plug from another cylinder. the spark plug could be bad, going to ground, and not to the element.


i never considered that.......i guess thats one of those times when we need carl ----""mmmmmmmmmhhhhhmmm aint got no gas in it mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhmmmmmm"":rolleyes:
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

I understand what your saying but I sprayed fuel directly into lower carb with no reaction..

forgive if this sounds dumb :confused:but spraying fuel into bthe carb wont do anything if the throttle is shut!
 

rfiglia

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

the fuel is getting in there, when I spray the top and middle carb the engine reacts.
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

You mentioned that the bottom plug was wet.Sounds like a low speed flooding issue to me on the bottom hole.Too much fuel equals poor to no combustion. Stuck float or leaky needle seat in bottom carb.I'm guessing that's why it will run fine at or near wide open.

With the engine not running,try squeezing the fuel primer bulb and see if it will pump up soild and hold hand pressure.Sometimes this will expose a float/needle valve issue.It'll also expose a leaky fuel primer solenoid valve.Otherwise,I'd recommend removing the bottom carb at least and giving it a once over. As recommnded above,do all three before you call it quits.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

Start over from scratch to possibly avoid overlooking the obvious. Don't simply assume that since you checked something in the past that it is okay and bypass it.

Build the following spark tester.

(Spark Tester - Home Made)
(J. Reeves)

A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a few finishing nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere. Use small alligator clips on the other end of the wires to connect to ground and to the spark plug connector that exists inside of the rubber plug boot.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas they could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:


..........X1..........X2

.................X..(grd)

..........X3..........X4

Now, with the spark plugs removed, check the spark while slowly advancing the throttle. The spark should jump a 7/16" gap with a strong blue lightning like flame throughout the advancement.... a real SNAP! Does it? If not exactly as I've described the spark, what are you seeing?

The 120 psi compression on all cylinders (if that is indeed what you have) is fine.

The new spark plugs should be Champion QL77JC4 plugs, gapped at .040 . If this is not what you have, change them.

I know your present spark plugs are new. However, when you remove them, do they all look alike, and if not, describe them.

Engine NOT running, in normal upright running position, carburetor face plate removed. Pump fuel primer bulb up hard. There should be NO fuel leakage at any carburetor. Is there any?

The carburetor throttle roller should be approximately 7/16" in diameter. If it is instead something like 3/16" or 1/4" in diameter, the clear outer shield of it has cracked and broke away, in which case, replace it.

The idle air bleed slow speed jets at the top front of the carburetors should have a ID of .033 . The jet would have the number of 33 imprinted upon it. This jet must be absolutely tight.

The high speed fuel jet, located in the bottom center of the carburetor should have a ID of .065 . This jet would have the number of 65D imprinted upon it.

Make sure that all of the carburetor gaskets are in place, particually the small round nozzle gasket (332708) between the top body and the float chamber.

I see no mention of you actually removing and cleaning the carburetor(s). Your problem may simply be a clogged jet, but if a high speed jet, this would contradict the fact that the engine actually fires okay at a higher rpm.

The throttle butterflies should open and close at the same time. At idle, there should be no pressure applied on any linkage that would create a scenario whereas possibly two butterflies would be completely shut and one ever so slightly open etc.

If a reed plate (leaf valve) was cracked/broken, the downward throw of the piston would force a fuel spray out thru the carburetor throat. This would be noticable at cranking speed possibly and quite noticable when running.

With the above areas being as they should be, and with the engine running at a rpm where #3 (bottom) cylinder is not firing, stick two fingers into the carburetor throat, actiing as a manual choke. If the rpms increase and the engine smooths out somewhat, something is being overlooked within the carburetor.

Let us know what you find.
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

Thanks, Joe
(1) I have great spark at 1/2 gap
(2) The plugs are Champion QL77JC4 plugs, gapped at .040
(3) The top 2 look good the bottom one is wet with fuel
(4) no leakage when pumping up primer ball
(5) Throttle roller in perfect shape
(6) slow speed jet says 33 on it
(7) High speed jet has 65d on it
(8) I rebuilt the carb today
(9) all butterflies open at the same time
(10) no fuel spits out of any carb while running
(11) when I choke out the bottom carb manually with my hand nothing happens, I can feel plenty of suction though

THIS IS CRAZY!
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

Remove the hose at the crankcase that operates the VRO pump. The fact that you have compression, spark, and fuel at the #3 cylinder indicates the cylinder should fire at the low rpms UNLESS it is loading up with excess fuel.

A faulty VRO diaphragm or some other form of VRO failure would account for that which would allow fuel to flow directly to the #3 crankcase area.

With the hose off, primer bulb pumped up, fuel would exist (flow out) of that hose if this is the cause of your problem.
 

rfiglia

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

ok, will try that tomorrow, I have the vro disconnected, i premix my fuel, does that change anything?
 

rfiglia

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

RIGHT ON JOE!!! Just went outside with some lights cause I cant wait until tomorrow, I disconnected the vacuum hose that runs the vro pump. When I pumped the primer ball fuel comes out of the hose!!! So hopefully this is the problem..
So my next question is since I do not use the vro pump can I convert it to the conventional omc fuel pump?

Hopefully this solves the problem... Thanks, Rich
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

Absolutely.Just replace the diaphragm of the vro pump and securely plug off the oil inlet to the vro and disconnect the three wire vro alarm harness at its amphenol connector.You'll also want to disconnect the two wire lead from the oil reservoir in the engine compartment to disable the low oil alarm.The stock vro pump works just fine as a 50:1 pumper.Just remenber to mix TCW-3 oil in your fuel tank and pumping the fuel primer bulb until premix is visible at the fuel hose inlet nearest the pump.
 

rfiglia

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

Absolutely.Just replace the diaphragm of the vro pump and securely plug off the oil inlet to the vro and disconnect the three wire vro alarm harness at its amphenol connector.You'll also want to disconnect the two wire lead from the oil reservoir in the engine compartment to disable the low oil alarm.The stock vro pump works just fine as a 50:1 pumper.Just remenber to mix TCW-3 oil in your fuel tank and pumping the fuel primer bulb until premix is visible at the fuel hose inlet nearest the pump.


There does not seem to be a breakdown of the pump in my parts book. Seems you have to buy the whole pump?
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

Check out the maxrules dot com website.I believe they still list the rebuild kits and conventional pumps for a fraction of what a new vro would sell for.Or contact your local John/Rude dealer parts and see if they can supply you with a rebuild kit.
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

Now that the cause has been found, either go OB's route as above or set the engine up with one of the older and smaller regular fuel pumps.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: 1988 Evinrude 70hp help

i would go with the conventional pump. http://www.iboats.com/Sierra_18_735...z.36857--**********.053096691--view_id.174141

the hose from under the carb, you just block off, i use a bolt,and hose clamp. you should have the mounting bosses like the above link. should be two threaded bosses, with a plug between them. remove the plug, and mount pump. besure the gasket goes between the block and pump. inlet hose connect to the plastic part, outlet to the body, outlet.
 
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