1991 Bayliner Capri Restore

[jdaher]

Re: 1991 Bayliner Capri Restore

So i'm looking at caster wheels at harbor frieght....If one wheel has a load capacity of 330, will 4 wheels support 4x330 or only 330?

 

[jdaher]

Re: 1991 Bayliner Capri Restore

Also, is it okay to start the motor on the stand?

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Yes casters are good to go. Yes, you can run the motor on the stand but.. you must use Muffs. Buy em at WalMart and hook up water Hose..

 

[bleedblue94]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Yes casters are good to go. Yes, you can run the motor on the stand but.. you must use Muffs. Buy em at WalMart and hook up water Hose..

what he said. also they sell muffs with dual water feeds so the motor gets water from both sides and not just one. sometimes this is beneficial. also dont forget you can use a tank if you can fully submerge the water intakes in it, just realize it will have oil residue on it after use

 

[93bayliner1800]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Stands looks great....you could probably hang two on it! as far as running I would only suggest a bolt on each side of 2x6 where it mounts that would be a total of 4. All the weight is pulling on those 4 screws on each side you now have holding them on. Fyi.....it will kick to the side when your rev it. I tied mine straight with a tie down strap to keep it from kicking. I could hold mine with my hand so it doesn't kick that hard it would just cause the muffs to shift and try to slide off.

 

[jdaher]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Well guys, I didn't get the motor off today. I went to crank my motor before taking it off just to check things out. Spent about 10 minutes trying to crank it before I realized I had unplugged the spark plugs a few days ago. But the real problem is it turns over real slow, hanging up sometimes and won't crank. I have two brand new batteries and tried each one separately. Same with each battery. I cleaned the wire connections on the battery...no luck. I'm guessing it is either the starter or wires going to motor (looked fine though). How can I figure out what is wrong? BTW, I cranked it less than two weeks ago, it turned slow at first but then worked fine after that.Thanks in advance!

Also, I thought the motor had a lip I could slip over the two 2x6's while I bolted it on...apparently not. Do I require an engine hoist to hold it while i drill holes in the 2x6's and bolt it on?

One more thing, How do I disconnect all the wiring and cables from the outboard?

Gosh, this has been harder than I thought it would be..sigh


Edit: Both batteries were fully charged.

 

[93bayliner1800]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Check the voltage while trying to crank. Could also be a bad solenoid. If you check voltage and it is dropping severely while trying to crank and you know batteries are good. Try starting by. Mechanically jumping solenoid.....a screw driver across two main nuts on solenoid. If problem still exists pull your plugs out and check again with less pressure against starter. See if the voltages change and make note of what they are before and during trying to crank...and post them back here.

 

[brianq]

Re: 1991 Bayliner Capri Restore

I went ahead and built a motor stand. The motor says it weighs 285. Do you think I built the stand strong enough? I used pt 2x6's, stainless #10 2-1/2 screws, and liquid nails heavy duty construction adhesive.

Edit also a square scrap piece of pt wood at the bottom.

I'm obviously not a skilled carpenter....

This stand is good for prob 700lbs. I dont know boats but I am an engineer!!

 

[jdaher]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Check the voltage while trying to crank. Could also be a bad solenoid. If you check voltage and it is dropping severely while trying to crank and you know batteries are good. Try starting by. Mechanically jumping solenoid.....a screw driver across two main nuts on solenoid. If problem still exists pull your plugs out and check again with less pressure against starter. See if the voltages change and make note of what they are before and during trying to crank...and post them back here.

These??

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Here is me trying to start it: Forgive the camera sideways...never uploaded video with phone.

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[jdaher]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Turns over faster sometimes

 

[GT1000000]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is what it looks like to me.

OK, yeah, it could be the PO owners attempt at salvaging an extra season of boating from an already rotting transom...

All four of the holes were offset about the same amount???

The original engine bolt holes may have already gone "soft"...

Just caught up on your cranking problems...

From here it looks like a definite electrical connection problem...electrical gremlins can act exactly the way they are happening to you...good crank sometimes, sometimes not...

Look for every single connection related to starting the engine, inspect, clean and make sure they are all tight...especially the grounds...

Any suspicious wires or wire connections should be remade...when the engine is cranking, it is pulling a very high amperage draw, if there are any weak links, this is when they will most likely rear their ugly heads...

 

[93bayliner1800]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Take a jumper cable and come off positive side only over to solenoid. Find the wire (large) coming off solenoid and going to starter. Just firmly press up against and it will turn over starter....if this fixes your problems it is a connection between solenoid and battery....or solenoid itself. If this does not fix the problem it is the starter.

 

[jdaher]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

OK, yeah, it could be the PO owners attempt at salvaging an extra season of boating from an already rotting transom...

All four of the holes were offset about the same amount???

The original engine bolt holes may have already gone "soft"...

Just caught up on your cranking problems...

From here it looks like a definite electrical connection problem...electrical gremlins can act exactly the way they are happening to you...good crank sometimes, sometimes not...

Look for every single connection related to starting the engine, inspect, clean and make sure they are all tight...especially the grounds...

Any suspicious wires or wire connections should be remade...when the engine is cranking, it is pulling a very high amperage draw, if there are any weak links, this is when they will most likely rear their ugly heads...

I think they are from mounting a newer motor (1998 Force 90HP) on the boat (1991 Bayliner Capri). From what it looks like, the top two holes are the only holes I see patched over. The new holes are further on the outside. On the inside below the splash well, I don't see any extra holes in the transom.

Take a jumper cable and come off positive side only over to solenoid. Find the wire (large) coming off solenoid and going to starter. Just firmly press up against and it will turn over starter....if this fixes your problems it is a connection between solenoid and battery....or solenoid itself. If this does not fix the problem it is the starter.

I'm getting a new voltmeter in the mail tuesday, compression tester coming wednesday. I posted about the starter problem on the Force engine forum and a guy said if the starter turns over with the spark plugs out, do a compression test and clean the connections and starter. I'll try the jumper cable in the morning too.

 

[jdaher]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

I was too scared to do the jumper cables.:facepalm:

Since the compression test set I ordered won't be here until Wednesday, I went ahead and took the starter apart and cleaned it. That did the trick! One of the brushed was also stuck down. Turns like normal with the spark plug wires unplugged. Cranked up nice with them connected. I didn't run it long bc it seemed to be struggling to get water from my old single inlet round muffs. I ordered some new muffs; should be here tomorrow. I'll post a video if the UPS guy gets here before dark.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Excellent! Glad to hear it...

 

[93bayliner1800]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Great news! All that matters is you four d the problem and fixed it.

 

[jdaher]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Got my compression set and new muffs last night.

Compression Results:

Cylinder	Test 1 Pressure (PSI)	Test 2 Pressure (PSI)
1	135	140
2	135	140
3	140	140

I don't know much about compression results. I think I read somewhere they need to be above 120 and not deviate more than 10-20%.

With the new muffs on, it still seems to be struggling to get water out the tell tale. I replaced the water pump impeller/housing with the kit off iboats a few weeks ago. I hope I didn't do it wrong. I used the Sierra 18-3570 kit, which I was told was the right one.

 

[jdaher]

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Re: HELP! 1991 Bayliner Capri Deck

Well the starter worked for a while...:redface:, then it smoked around its' bottom the last two times trying to crank it. I took it off to inspect.

Looks like a piece cracked off and the bolt was making contact with something it shouldn't have. I went ahead and bought a new starter. It won't be here until Wednesday though.

 

[Hope2hitWater]

Re: 1991 Bayliner Capri Restore - Water pooling in floor

Re: 1991 Bayliner Capri Restore - Water pooling in floor

Finished removing all the carpet

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I have a 1991 Capri that looks exactly like yours. I have water pooling in the back when it rains or if we get too much water in it from getting in and out. There is no where for the water to drain to the bottom so that it can be pumped out with the bildge or for it to drain out the hole in the bottom when it is on trailer. Anyone else have the same problem and can a hole be safely cut near the sides of the middle to let it go down to the bildge? I wonder if this is why the boat you have and many others have a rotten wood problem? I'd like to prevent this from happening to mine. Thanks for any who can help.

 

[jdaher]

Re: 1991 Bayliner Capri Restore - Water pooling in floor

Re: 1991 Bayliner Capri Restore - Water pooling in floor

I have a 1991 Capri that looks exactly like yours. I have water pooling in the back when it rains or if we get too much water in it from getting in and out. There is no where for the water to drain to the bottom so that it can be pumped out with the bildge or for it to drain out the hole in the bottom when it is on trailer. Anyone else have the same problem and can a hole be safely cut near the sides of the middle to let it go down to the bildge? I wonder if this is why the boat you have and many others have a rotten wood problem? I'd like to prevent this from happening to mine. Thanks for any who can help.

There are corner holes on each side of the seat bases toward the middle of the boat. The water is suppose to drain into the seat bases and then drain from inside the seat bases to the bilge. It seems the carpet stops them up a good bit, not to mention random debris.