1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

[mikemarcelle]

I have done the trouble shooting for the engine with no results. Disconnected the black/yellow wire, no spark. disconnected the 2 yellow wires from the stator, no spark. Replaced the stator with a new one, no spark. Disconnected the coil wires from the switch box and cleaned them, no spark, checked the magnets on the fly wheel (glued) is it the trigger, Is it the Switch Box or the rectifier? Cranking RPM's high. What can it be? Am I missing something. Please help. Mike..

 

[CharlieB]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

First rule, engraved in stone, do NOT BUY ANY ELECTRICAL PARTS, until we PROVE what is bad.

Second rule, follow the steps spelled out in the Rapair/CDI Ignition Troubleshooting Guide to the letter. They have done an excellent job of spelling out test sequences right down to what color wire you are testing.

Third Rule, get the proper tool for the job. A DVA Meter or a DVA Adaptor for a decent volt/ohm meter.

You CAN DO this.

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

thank you so much. I did not mention this but I did do the test and a friend of mine who makes a living working on outboard motors told me that he was positive it was the stator. Anyway as per your advice I just ordered a DVA Adapter for my OHM meter. Will test more and report. Mike.

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

OK, I received the DVA adapter but am not sure how to use since it came with no instructions. I have the trouble shooting or testing guide. Could you tell me how to do the test. Thanx in advance, Mike.

 

[CharlieB]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

If you bought the correct adapter for your ohm meter then simply plug it into your meter, set the voltage scale to AC and the range limit for the tests outlines in the CDI Ignition Troubleshooting Guide. Using the leads supplied make the connections. Plug wires attached to suitable spark tester or grounded, key ON or harness unplugged, hit the remote starter button to crank over and observe reading.

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

Thank you Chief. Captain Mike Marcelle..

 

[Boatleech]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

My DVA adapter requires the VOM be on a DC scale...

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

Question? I just had to replace the Marine Battery (Under Warranty) Free Replacement. The battery was not holding a charge. I was told that could be the reason the engine would not start. Is that possible? I discovered this when I went to do the test as per you great help and instruction. any way I will install the new battery tomorrow. Thanx, Mike.

 

[Boatleech]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

If the battery is bad, yes -- the engine wouldn't start, but it will be very obvious why. All the battery does during starting is power the starter motor, which replaces the starter rope and your arm. So if the battery is dead, the starter motor won't run, the crankshaft won't turn, the magneto won't produce spark, etc. If the starter motor turns the motor over smartly, but it still won't start, there's something wrong other than the battery.

Also be aware that "not holding a charge" is not the same thing as "not getting charged". If you've got stator and/or rectifier/regulator problems you may not be charging the battery while the motor is running, resulting in a dead battery. The battery shop should test for the battery's ability to take and hold a charge as part of the replacement process.

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

The motor was turning at a slower speed than normal and the battery shop tested bad and was replaced. I haven't hooked it up yet today to try it but will shortly. Mike..

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

OK I dont know what else to do! I spent the morning testing the system according to the guide that I was sent here and every thing test according to the guide with the DVA Tester and still no spark. I tested the stator, trigger, black/yellow kill wire the coils, the yellow wires for the rectifier/regulator everything and still cant issolate the problem and worst of all I cant go fishing. hat am I doing wrong. Please help. Is it the switch box. Thanx, Mike.

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

This morning I put the old Stator back on the motor and re-tested with the DVA. The blue wire tested well above the 180v about 256v but the red wire tested well below the specified 25v about 11v. I it possible that the new Stator need a new Rectifier to go with the New Stator? I am all out of ideas and maybe facing putting this in the shop because I still have no spark. Really don't want to do that would like to fix it myself. Thanx, Mike..

 

[CharlieB]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

CDI Manual states in it somewhere, DISCONNECT the rectifier, re-test stator with the rectifier DISCONNECTED.

Sometimes a bad rectifier leavers a magnetic field within the stator that interferes with the field/current/voltage produces by the ignition windings, causing an ignition failure.

Re-test with the rectifier disconnected from the stator, if the stator then tests all good, re-test for spark, if you now have good spark then replace the rectifier.

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

Thanx. The problem is that everything test good as per the trouble shooting guide given me here in this forum. I have performed every test after ordering a DVA Adapter for my Ohm Meter. I have disconnected the yellow wires from the Stator and retested with positive results but still no spark. How can I test the Switch Box as there does not appear to be a test for it on the Guide I was sent which can be viewed above. Thanx, Mike.

 

[CharlieB]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

There is NO TEST for the switch box. That is why it is so important to test the stator and trigger with the DVA Meter.

You have PROVED the stator good.

You have PROVED the triggers good.

You have disconnected the kill wires and PROVED no switchbox output to the coils.

Replace the switchbox, it is bad.

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

Thanx for all the help I have learned a lot. I have come to the conclusion that the Switch is Bad thanks to the help I've received in this forum and will now replace the switch box so I can go fishing during the great weather we're having down here on the Gulf Coast. Will post results results. Thanx again, Mike.

 

[mikemarcelle]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

I DID IT!!!! Let me give Abosolute Testimonial here that the help you get in this forum on this site cannot be measured no Way no How. It cannot be beat. I came here with a problem and was given so much help with Trouble Shooting Guides, Advice, Instructions when I was stuck as well as a "You Can Do This" confidence builder and it worked. I installed the new Switch Box and Stator and just came back from a great day on the River riding and fishing with my girlfriend. My advice is to listen to what you are told here and you will solve your problem. Thanx to all, Mike...

 

[cejones49]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

Im having the same problem with a 1996 Force CDM system.
The repair shop said bad stator so I purchased a new one, still no spark, (They wanted over $700 to repair)
Did all the test unpluging and still no spark and did ohm test but not DVA test.
I am throwing parts but I figure seense the boat is a 96 it would be worth it to replace all the ignition parts to be on the safe side. (around $300 so far and half a new system) Go figure
My question is can the trigger and voltage regulator cause a no spark condition also?

 

[saumon]

Re: 1996, 3 cyl, 60 HP, No Spark any cyl ????

1) There a very detailed troubleshooting procedure that was clearly explained both in the OEM manual and on the CDI website for a no spark condition
2) You're in the wrong section, as your engine is a Force
3) Start your own thread instead of posting in a 2 years old thread