2 or 4 stroke kicker

[joe8739]

I have already done a search and found many topics on 2 stroke vs 4 stroke motors, but they all seem to be for bigger motors that are the main motor. I can understand where the fuel consumption would be a big deal there. However for a small kicker motor, I would like to hear the pros and cons for something that isn't going to be used all the time. And is noise and smoke a big problem if your going real slow? Would like to hear everyone's input. Thanks!

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 2 or 4 stroke kicker

If only VERY occational use, I would opt for the 2-stroke, because of initial cost, weight and low useage. If you do more trolling, the 4-stroke would be the way to go, due to being very quiet, no smoke, easier starting and using less fuel.

 

[joe8739]

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Which requires less maintenance, especially for getting very little usage?

 

[quantumleap]

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I would use one of the same stroke as your primary motor for a source of back-up fuel and/or oil.

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: 2 or 4 stroke kicker

Which requires less maintenance, especially for getting very little usage?

I would say the 2-stroke...

 

[joe8739]

Re: 2 or 4 stroke kicker

Ok thanks guys. Now for the next question. Does it really matter what brand motor I get? A few dealers have told me that Yamaha and Johnson and Merc share parts and technology, and I looked at some Tohatsu 6 HP 4 stroke that were very light. So I dont know, so many choices!!! I would like to keep it for many years. Maybe put it on a small fishing boat too sometimes. My boat weight about 2000 pounds by the way. Thanks again.

 

[phatmanmike]

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merc 4 strokes are made by yamaha, and johnson 4 strokes are made by suzuki... if that helps, although to confuse you more, merc is starting to make their own 4 strokes. but anyway......<br />tohastu makes a nice,simple, easy to use motor, and they are usually pretty cheep too...a new 9.8hp 2 stroke weighs 52 pounds and can be had for close to one grand. but dealer support is few and far between. i have 3 of them, 2 5hp's and 1 8hp. all run like fine japanese machines should.<br /><br />with the way the manufactures have been making their motors nowadays, i dont think you could go wrong with any of them. pick one with the best availabilty of parts and then pick the benifits you like, such as weight, size, etc....<br /><br />have fun and good luck

 

[rickdb1boat]

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I think Mike is right. The Tohatsu 9.8 would be a great choice, as it has more power(Which you need anyway for that weight of boat and would be nice size for a small john Boat later on) and they are super reliable. Normally, I would recommend an OMC product, but ya just can't beat those small Nissan's and Tohatsu's for reliability. Have heard nothing but good things about the small kickers from those engines..

 

[joe8739]

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Yeah the next boat I get is going to be a little heavier at least anyways so I dont bounce all over the place like this one does so I want something that will last. Another thing I forgot to ask is that is it true that 4 strokes can not be laid down? I dont think it would be practical for me to store this motor upright all the time, especially if travelling.

 

[dmangi]

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Sounds like I'm looking for the same thing here. What do you think about the Johnson 8HP 2 stroke? Can get it delivered from Ed's Marine Superstore for about $1525 total price. Is that a good deal or can I find something better? I looked up the 9.8 Tohatsu like you guys mentioned and it says they don't make them anymore, they make a 9.8 4 stroke.

 

[phatmanmike]

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[kd6nem]

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Four strokes can generally be laid down if kept the proper side up. Each model may vary a bit as to how this should be done. <br /><br />Here is an important caveat regarding a kicker:<br />Two strokes don't leave a lot of excess lube in them between running. Internal rust and corrosion can be a problem in ANY motor if not run often enough. Two strokes more so. Two strokes which use pre-mix have an added problem. The carbs will foul more easily if not run often enough. If you do not run it at least every 2-3 weeks in hot weather, (less often in cooler is OK) the two stroke will likely become a big pain. A four stroke will be more tolerant, though needs to be run also. So the two stroke's carbs having to be overhauled at least annually suddenly makes them not look so good if you neglect the motor by not running it fairly frequently. Less maintenance? Not necessarily! But take a few minutes to run it whenever you go out (or on the earmuffs in the driveway) and it won't let you down.<br /><br />I do like the idea of being able to use the same fuel, though you can get by with mixed types if you are careful and prepared. If fuel contamination (water) is ever an issue having two seperate supplies might actually be a blessing. If you cannot leave it on the boat then the 2 strokes weight might be a factor for the sake of your back. Otherwise the weight difference is trivial.<br />Just something else to consider....

 

[joe8739]

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That does make sense what you said about the 4 strokes having the lube in them all the time. I see the 4 stroke 9.8 Tohatsu only weighs 81 pounds. Is it bad to leave the motor on the external motor bracket on the boat all the time? Doesn't that put a lot of strain on the transom when you are trailering it?

 

[joe8739]

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Hey Phatmanmike. I just have been looking more into Tohatsus and found and online dealer that can ship a 9.8 4 stroke for $1595. That seems very cheap for me, especially since a local dealers is 1795 plus tax, which would make it about 1950. Anyways, I know you were referring to the 2 stroke. What are your thoughts on this one?