2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

300sflyer

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Hey guys,

I have a 2000 5.7 GS with low compression in the #1 cylinder. It reads 90 PSI while the other 7 read 180-190. I squirted a few ounces of oil in the cylinder, and it made no difference.

I'm thinking my next step should be to pull the head, and see whats going on?
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

Or a leakdown test on that cylinder to see which valve is the culprit (assuming it's not the piston ring).
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

Sorry to hear that.:(

Since it's just one cylinder and it's cylinder number one will make doing a leak down test even easier.

Just put cylinder #1 at top dead center on the compression stroke by lining up the timing mark on the harmonic balancer. Next, I believe you can rent a leak down tester gauge from an auto parts store or harbor freight tools should have a low cost gauge so that you can help get an idea of where the excess air is escaping from and how much percentage wise before pulling the valve cover off for inspection then the head off for inspection just in case the naked eye visual misses something.

Hope it's something simple, good luck.:)
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

Sorry to hear that.:(

Since it's just one cylinder and it's cylinder number one will make doing a leak down test even easier.

Just put cylinder #1 at top dead center on the compression stroke by lining up the timing mark on the harmonic balancer. Next, I believe you can rent a leak down tester gauge from an auto parts store or harbor freight tools should have a low cost gauge so that you can help get an idea of where the excess air is escaping from and how much percentage wise before pulling the valve cover off for inspection then the head off for inspection just in case the naked eye visual misses something.


Hope it's something simple, good luck.:)

Ayuh,.... I agree, oughta do a leak down test to Hear where it's leakin',....

I just use the flex-hose adapter of my compression tester,...
My shop air compressor uses the same quik-connect fittin's,...
Blow in air, 'n Listen through any, 'n All the holes in the motor,.... ;)

If ya pull the head, do 'em both,...
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

Hole in the piston or a bad valve??
Your gonna take it apart anyway so just do it.
Or you can do the leakdown test.
Then take it apart.
Take the valve cover off and see if the rocker arms and push rods are working right?
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

Your gonna take it apart anyway so just do it.

I was kind of thinking the same thing.... I have a number of things on my plate right now, and the weather has turned very cold. [-10C here tonight] It may be a few weeks before I report back with my findings.

Yes... The engine has been winterized. :)
 
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I agree with Jerry, why bother with a leak down? He already squirted oil in the cylinder, it made no difference. It has 90 psi at cranking speed which shows some compression so if he did a running compression test I bet it would come up to 120 or so. If it had a hole in the piston that would be obvious. Since all the other cylinders seem okay we can assume for the time being that the valves are probably okay. That leaves rings which fits.

Mr. 300sflyer doesn't describe any driveability complaints although I assume that is why he did a compression test in the first place. He also doesn't say if there is any smoke or what the spark plug looked like on that cylinder. Now the only reason I like to have that information is that sometimes we can make a diagnosis right through these little screens we all are staring at. With a fouled plug and white-blue smoke its rings and it's time for that motor to come to Jesus. I like Jesus he's a pretty good nut buster who worked for me years ago. Yes, I am that old. No seriously, I know it makes guys feel like they're doing something to pull heads since it's not all that difficult and for some guys (me included) it's kinda fun. If you want to pull the head, by all means yank that puppy and send pics. Then arrange for the engine (s) to be pulled and replaced with a couple of sweet strokers. Getcher self a couple sets of props the next pitch up and then skip the next two boating seasons because you can't afford gas for your kid's Geo let alone the boat since you just blew 10K on motors and props. Seriously though I kid. Yes, I seriously kid you. Hey thats original, "I am seriously kidding" Wow I should write for Leno or Letterman. Anyway if one engine is showing a bad cylinder keep in mind both of them have the same amount of hours and perhaps it be engine replacement time. If it were my boat, and boy I kinda wish it were that's a real sweet cruiser, I would definitely start looking into twin strokers. I don't think that will allow you to move up in pitch but the extra torque and hp should be noticeable. Strokers don't cost all that much more than stock 350's but you'll have to find a builder that knows what they're doing.

Well I'm busy spending your money here so it's all easier said than done, but do let us know what ya find. FYI I had a bad ring in the #5 hole in my 350 for a couple of years, it dropped from 140 to 75 cranking compression over the seasons and was puffing smoke a bit. It actually ran pretty good and I pulled skiiers and toys around plenty like that. I noticed the power loss, and you probably do to because of the difference in throttle settings between the two engines. I really think you'll be pulling a motor so may as well get started if you want to use the boat next season. I hope you show I'm wrong and I'm wrong a lot such as thinking I'd bounce back from three torn rotator cuffs and be back cage fighting by now but noooooooo "You're an old man now!" they all say heck with them I can kick butt with one arm tied behind my back or in a sling anyway since I'm still building motors with one arm. Of course that's just the pain meds talkin and I've just wasted 6 minutes of ya'lls time you'll never get back.
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

That's one heck of a post! LOL!

The boat is brand new to me, [2000 Chris Craft 328, and not the one in my avatar] and bought it knowing the compression was down in the one cylinder, on the starboard engine. The port engine runs like a dream.

Given that putting oil in the cylinder did not change the compression, I'm betting the rings are fine. As others have said, it is very likely a valve or head gasket. The spark plugs were all fine.

I will post some pictures once I have it apart. :)
 
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I agree with Jerry, why bother with a leak down? He already squirted oil in the cylinder, it made no difference.
I would still do it. Its going to take only a few minutes. Its just to confirm its the valves and not something else before it is taken apart and you can't go back and redo a test.
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

Is it possible to remove the one cylinder head, without removing the intake manifold? obviously the exhaust manifold and the 4 intake bolts on the one side would have to be removed. Would this then allow the head to come off? If so, it would make the time required to do the job much shorter.
 

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No. Gotta remove the manifold. Gasket surfaces must be cleaned. I've seen it done though but I don't know how that job ended up.

Aw c'mon I wanted to see what a couple strokers would do. Pull the head post pictures. I'm usually wrong so that's a good indication that it's not what I say it is and you'll fix it. Did the owner sell it just because one motor has a low cylinder?
 

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The head can be removed without taking the intake off.
You'll need to back off the bolts and "lift" it a bit to remove the head.
Used to do a lot of road work for the company I worked for.
The boss taught me how to do that so I didn't spend all day working on one motor.
But your gonna need to take it off anyway so why bother.
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

The boat was sold by the previous owners bank, after it was repossessed. Guess he couldn't make the payments... The funny thing, is that the name of the boat is "Loan Arranger". LOL!!! :)

Wont be doing the job today... Its only 10F here this morning!.... BRRRRRRRRRR!
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

The head can be removed without taking the intake off.
You'll need to back off the bolts and "lift" it a bit to remove the head.
Used to do a lot of road work for the company I worked for.
The boss taught me how to do that so I didn't spend all day working on one motor.
But your gonna need to take it off anyway so why bother.

Good info... Thanks. If I can remove and re-install the head without removing the intake, why would I have to remove it anyway? There should be enough room to clean everything up before the new gaskets go on.
 

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You will break gasket seals on the ends and other intake side by "lifting" the manifold no matter how slightly inviting water leaks and vacuum leaks and possibly water into a cylinder. There's no free lunch here. But it's your motor. I say do it right the first time so you don't have to do it again later. I know Jerry told you what you wanted to hear but that doesn't make it true. I wouldn't want to take that boat out with the possibility of being stranded because of a 'shortcut'
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

You will break gasket seals on the ends and other intake side by "lifting" the manifold no matter how slightly inviting water leaks and vacuum leaks and possibly water into a cylinder. There's no free lunch here. But it's your motor. I say do it right the first time so you don't have to do it again later. I know Jerry told you what you wanted to hear but that doesn't make it true. I wouldn't want to take that boat out with the possibility of being stranded because of a 'shortcut'

Ayuh,.... Ditto, Every word of that,....

It's a Fool's errand to pull Just 1 head, 'n not do the Entire top-end,....

Pull Both heads, 'n send 'em to the Machine Shop....

Emergency road-side service ain't what yer doin',...
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

My advice was just to remove it.
I wouldn't try to reinstall it without repairing the gaskets.
Like I said in my other post.Your gonna need to remove it anyway.

(Used to do a lot of road work for the company I worked for.
The boss taught me how to do that so I didn't spend all day working on one motor.
But your gonna need to take it off anyway so why bother.)
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

Pulled the intake and the head off today. No holes in the piston, and the gasket seemed to be fine. Dug a bit deeper, and removed both the #1 exhaust and intake valves from the head. Intake was fine, however the exhaust valve was burnt. I replaced the valve, and used compound to seat it. I will put the head back on tomorrow, and recheck the compression.
 

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Re: 2000 5.7 GS Low Compression

Hole in the piston or a bad valve??

hole in the piston would result in compression zero. whatever - the head must off, probably a blown gasket on cylinder 1 - . with head off its a good idea to look for the valves also.
 
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