225 Yam OX66 SWS Yr 1999

TimC2520

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Hi Guys,

Still fiddling with a sneeze/stall situation on this engine. I can only get down there once or twice a week as boat is 90 miles away.
After the boat sits all week, I go down to start it....starts fine, always on the
first crank. She would always idle high for a minute or two then settle down to a nice in-spec idle.
For the last month or two, I'd start it and it still starts on the first crank.
The idle rpms are low and it sounds "weird", like it's bogging or struggling to stay running, sneezes once or twice, There is always one sneeze that results in a stall within the first minute, and she'll start right back up again.
From that point on, she runs like a clock.
Seems once it's warmed up, it's fine. Reaches wide open throttle fine, mid range is fine...
All regular maintence items were done in the spring, t-stats, poppit, de-carb, filters including VST, plugs, O2 sensor was cleaned 10 hours ago along with exhaust tube, TPS adjusted properly. Low pressure fuel pumps were done last year and have 100+- hours on them. When this problem first started, I began with the plugs, found 2 of them had bent tips, probably me hitting them with the cowling cover be accident. Replaced all 6 plugs, tested the caps and some were out of spec and those are new also.
Also I should mention, when fishing, if I don't start the boat to move or whatever, and we are on the hook or something for a few hours causing the engine to completely cool off, the same thing happens but once again, if it's still hot, it's fine.
I am being told by some it could be a clogged fuel injector, but wouldn't it be clogged all the time and not just during a low cold idle? Also, would it run fine, even WOT, once the engine is hot if an injector was clogged?

I have the manual for the motor and I'm becoming (slowly) more comfortable doing some stuff myself. There are probably only 3 or 4 trips left for me this year and over the winter I plan on buying the diagnostic kit/lamp for this motor. I was just hoping someone could just lend some opinions, giving me something to look at soon or next spring.
 

TimC2520

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Re: 225 Yam OX66 SWS Yr 1999

Hi Cousinabe,

Thanks for the links....seems like the only thing I haven't tried yet is the lynch/sink, I just replaced the spark plug caps this weekend but still had the same problem.

One thing I did try was to increase the throttle (in neutral) as soon as I started her and let it idle with the throttle increased at the helm. Once it was warmed up, I backed off back into neutral. It never sneezed that time.
 

cousinabe

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Re: 225 Yam OX66 SWS Yr 1999

Tim,
I see you cleaned your O2 sensor. Have you tested it?? Even though cleaned, it could be giving bad data to the ECU. Read up on O2 testing and disregard the flame test as roldbolt has mentioned in many of his posts. This would be the first thing I would test and make sure in spec.
www.boatsetup.com/O2sensor.pdf

Also cleaning the Fuel Injector screens and the VST regulator screen are something you may want to look at.

FI screens can be cleaned by taking off the fuel rail and getting to the injectors. I left the wiring plugged in, pulled the injectors out of the intake and pryed the green screens out gently with pliers. Gentle twisting while pulling to remove. Cleaned with carb cleaner.

The VST regulator mesh screen was easy to clean as well.

I found that changing the spark plug caps helped in high end rpms, holding them steady while under a load.

I had similar problems on my twin 225 EFI's. Initial start would cough or sneeze, then fine. If sat for an hour it would sneeze again on startup. I found that sometimes pumping the primer ball firm, this would sometimes go away... very sporadic though. When running good, my motor used to startup, idle ~1100, then back down after one minute to ~700. When I had the problems it would initially idle around 900 and then drop to 500-600... every now and then the gph would jump from 11-12 to 20 while at constant cruise.

Good luck and please post your procgress.
Greg.
 

TimC2520

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Re: 225 Yam OX66 SWS Yr 1999

Thanks Greg,

I now have the test harness that I bought from a dealer for the O2 sensor.
I will test that to see if it's within spec.

As far as the injector screens, I have not checked. I do have both the Clymer and Yam manuals and the Clymer goes into great detail with photos and a verbal description on how to do those. I have about 75-100 hours on the vst screen but I am pretty sure there is another filter in that area for the fuel pressure regulator which I will check. It just seems odd that a clogged filter or screen would cause a problem when the engine is cold but clear up once the engine reaches operating temps.

Your description of your start up and idle rpms's both when operating correctly and when you had the problem are almost exactly the way mine is behaving. With only 3-4 more trips possible this year before she is winterized and temps getting colder now, I will probably just live with it until spring time.

Thanks again.

Tim
 

cousinabe

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Re: 225 Yam OX66 SWS Yr 1999

Just to let you know, I am not a certified tech, more of a good troubleshooter.
I have read and been warned by techs that leaving this lean sneeze condition could pop a piston and rupture lp pressure fuel pump diaphram.

The EFI's should start and stay running always.
 

TimC2520

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Re: 225 Yam OX66 SWS Yr 1999

Thanks for the heads up, I've read the same and will do my best to keep it running.
 
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