3D Printers . . .

[mscher]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

Yes .. but your not going to clone an arm with an inkjet .. or laser printer.

Sure you can replicate a sterile arm .. leg .. or womb .. but We cant replicate such things as a working DNA code into a Printogram.

Merry Christmas.

YD.

My comment on laser printers, was that eventually the price of any technology almost always comes down, as it is doing with 3D printers and along with lower costs, usually comes with much more capabilities. Looks like what's left of the mold makers, better bone up on their CAD skills.

I don't know what a manufactured human arm, might be like, but if I needed one and someone could make a functioning one, for me then I'm all in.

Would not surprise if they eventually found a way, to "fake" DNA, so that a body wont reject a new part, at all.

Merry Christmas and Happy New year, to you, too.

 

[MTboatguy]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

I read an article yesterday about a company that is working on being able to make a complete gun that will fire live rounds, apparently they have successfully produced one that will shoot 5 rounds before it breaks, using this technology.

Click, print, shoot: Downloadable guns possible

 

[southkogs]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

I read an article yesterday about a company that is working on being able to make a complete gun that will fire live rounds, apparently they have successfully produced one that will shoot 5 rounds before it breaks, using this technology.

I saw a similar article, but I found it a little misleading.

For example:

Video posted by the group on YouTube indicates the gun was built with some key parts created on a 3-D printer and fired six times before it broke.

Some key parts are surely able to be produced by one of those printers, but I can't believe (with what I know about 3D printers) that they can produce a chamber for a .223 round. Or really even the firing pin. Those don't have to be metal, but 3D printers aren't working in materials strong enough for that yet.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

I read an article yesterday about a company that is working on being able to make a complete gun that will fire live rounds, apparently they have successfully produced one that will shoot 5 rounds before it breaks, using this technology.

Click, print, shoot: Downloadable guns possible

While I am sure the tech is out there to create plastic guns .. I dont think its responsible to talk about it here.

My comment on laser printers, was that eventually the price of any technology almost always comes down, as it is doing with 3D printers and along with lower costs, usually comes with much more capabilities. Looks like what's left of the mold makers, better bone up on their CAD skills.

I don't know what a manufactured human arm, might be like, but if I needed one and someone could make a functioning one, for me then I'm all in.

Would not surprise if they eventually found a way, to "fake" DNA, so that a body wont reject a new part, at all.

Merry Christmas and Happy New year, to you, too.

I dont think you know what is required for a plasmatic limb. .. much more required for plasmatic limbs.

You cant Fake DNA .. its chemical .. its Impossible.. thats the way things work.

Unless you find a new element you will Never find a new way to bring things together in such a way that you want/wish.

YD.

 

[mscher]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

I dont think you know what is required for a plasmatic limb. .. much more required for plasmatic limbs.

You cant Fake DNA .. its chemical .. its Impossible.. thats the way things work.

Unless you find a new element you will Never find a new way to bring things together in such a way that you want/wish.

YD.

I'm not a scientist and don't claim to be as smart as one. Perhaps you are.

I am, however, glad that other scientists, don't buy your view of what is "impossible".

Artificial DNA Copies Just Like the Real Thing | TechNewsDaily.com

 

[MTboatguy]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

While I am sure the tech is out there to create plastic guns .. I dont think its responsible to talk about it here.

I am sorry you don't think it is responsible, I however finding interesting and it is a concern of the ATF that there are companies trying to do it, and with a small amount of success.

I am sure if my post, which is from a newspaper article was out of line it would be removed. It is part of the evolving technology as are many other things that are being done with these printers and fit right in with the theme of this thread.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

I'm not a scientist and don't claim to be as smart as one. Perhaps you are.

I am, however, glad that other scientists, don't buy your view of what is "impossible".

Artificial DNA Copies Just Like the Real Thing | TechNewsDaily.com

Nobody is going to start printing up synthetic flesh arms and legs ( that can replicate healing and growing ) anytime soon. Sterile Plastic is about as far as you can go with a printer/scanner.

Dream on.

I am sorry you don't think it is responsible, I however finding interesting and it is a concern of the ATF that there are companies trying to do it, and with a small amount of success.

I am sure if my post, which is from a newspaper article was out of line it would be removed. It is part of the evolving technology as are many other things that are being done with these printers and fit right in with the theme of this thread.

MT .. there have been plastic guns out there for some time now .. I just dont see how the OPs thread would warrant a link for Printer Guns on the forum.

Sure you can have a ceramic weapon .. sure you can have a plastic knife. Nothing new.

I suggest that if you want to go try out a printable Gun .. go to those Other forums. Leave this Boat forum out.

YD.

 

[MTboatguy]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

Nobody is going to start printing up synthetic flesh arms and legs ( that can replicate healing and growing ) anytime soon. Sterile Plastic is about as far as you can go with a printer/scanner.

Dream on.



MT .. there have been plastic guns out there for some time now .. I just dont see how the OPs thread would warrant a link for Printer Guns on the forum.

Sure you can have a ceramic weapon .. sure you can have a plastic knife. Nothing new.

I suggest that if you want to go try out a printable Gun .. go to those Other forums. Leave this Boat forum out.

YD.

As I said, YD, if the forum moderation team has a problem with my post, they would remove it, if you don't like what I post, then you are welcome to use the ignore feature that is available through the forum software.

You may be a wealth of knowledge on this system about boats, but you are certainly not a moderator, hence you have no say in what I post, my post was pertinent to the thread topic, and I will continue to post pertinent information when it concerns the thread topic.

As the forum heading says, this is a section for "Non-Boating Technical Topics" This is a Non-Boating Technical topic and I will continue to post as I see fit as long it is within the rules of the forum.

My post was about 3-D printers and what they are being used for, it is not my problem that you choose to focus on the object and not the technology.

I am quite familiar with ceramic guns, in fact have shot a few in my 26+ years in the military. I am also aware of plastic guns and the attempts to make them viable, seen a few of them as well.

Now if you have a hair up you know what, that is your problem, as I said, I will continue to contribute to the topics I see fit with information that is pertaining to that topic at hand.

You sir are out of line.

DP

 

[mscher]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

Nobody is going to start printing up synthetic flesh arms and legs ( that can replicate healing and growing ) anytime soon. Sterile Plastic is about as far as you can go with a printer/scanner.

Dream on.

The discussion, was the technology of 3D printers, which according to your posts, appears to have already peaked out, so we should expect no more from them, other than some plastic parts.

Fortunately, a lot the rest of the world, disagrees with you also and are continuing research, for enhanced 3D printer features, including building organs, possibly with real human tissue, destined for humans.

No one stated they would be available next week.

As far as plastic, being the only viable medium for 3D printers, you are completely incorrect, in your assumption..

And yes, I will continue to "dream on".

"The SLM process uses a high powered laser to fuse fine metal powders together layer by layer direct from CAD data to create functional metal parts. After each layer a powder re-coater system deposits a fresh layer of powder in thicknesses ranging from 20 to 100 microns. The SLM system uses commercially available gas atomized metallic powders to produce fully dense metal parts in materials including Titanium, Stainless Steel, Cobalt Chrome and Tool Steel."

Direct Metal (SLM)

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

You sir are out of line.

Yes .. I am out of line. No disrespect to you or your posts. The thread opened with a simple concept of 3d printing ( programs and hardware kinda posts ) .. then I posted a few times. In post # 15/16 when the Human tissue thing came up you opted to post something about 3d printable guns.

I just thought that was a little out of the threads thrust at that point. ..

My bad. Sorry if I stepped into the Mod range of telling you what to post or not to post..

The discussion, was the technology of 3D printers, which according to your posts, appears to have already peaked out, so we should expect no more from them, other than some plastic parts.

Fortunately, a lot the rest of the world, disagrees with you also and are continuing research, for enhanced 3D printer features, including building organs, possibly with real human tissue, destined for humans.

No one stated they would be available next week.

As far as plastic, being the only viable medium for 3D printers, you are completely incorrect, in your assumption..

And yes, I will continue to "dream on".

"The SLM process uses a high powered laser to fuse fine metal powders together layer by layer direct from CAD data to create functional metal parts. After each layer a powder re-coater system deposits a fresh layer of powder in thicknesses ranging from 20 to 100 microns. The SLM system uses commercially available gas atomized metallic powders to produce fully dense metal parts in materials including Titanium, Stainless Steel, Cobalt Chrome and Tool Steel."

Direct Metal (SLM)

What I was suggesting in my previous posts was that there is going to be NO printer that can Create a living tissue EVER.

Sure you can create an arm out of plastic ( structure ) .. you can put Live material around that structure .. but your NEVER going to Replicate Cells. .. NEVER .. NOT in a Printer.

Thats what I was trying to say.

You cant just 3d print a human arm much less a human cell. .. Just Will not happen. You would need to Print that on a molecular level.

Sure You might use Live cells to adapt to those 3d composites .. but you will Never 3D the human CELL.

Maybe this is not the question here ..

I think the 3d printers are a wave of the future no doubt about that. .. and the concepts will be addressed.

Can I get a Steak ..

YD.

 

[rockb]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

There is a guy that has printed an AR-15 lower and it works fine with a .22LR upper but has issues with .223 upper. But even being able to print a lower that will work with .22 is still pretty impressive.

3D printed lower - yes, it works. - AR15.COM

 

[MTboatguy]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

YD,

There have been many things I have seen in my 50+ years, that I never thought was going to be possible, but you know, those things are coming true, and I am not willing to discount anything at this point in my life.

Those unwilling to open their mind up are destine to die. It is a plain and simple fact, those coming up behind us, are doing things we never imagined happening.

Gene Rodenberry was considered a nut case, but look at what he wrote about and how many things we now have that he saw in his mind.

 

[MTboatguy]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

There is a guy that has printed an AR-15 lower and it works fine with a .22LR upper but has issues with .223 upper. But even being able to print a lower that will work with .22 is still pretty impressive.

3D printed lower - yes, it works. - AR15.COM

Reading this thread at the AR15 forum, I also wonder, where will we be in 10 years, 15 years, and 25 years? There are things happening out there right now, that none of us can imagine, let alone comprehend..

The future will be filled with discoveries that were considered sci fi 5 years ago.

 

[southkogs]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

There is a guy that has printed an AR-15 lower and it works fine with a .22LR upper but has issues with .223 upper. But even being able to print a lower that will work with .22 is still pretty impressive.

3D printed lower - yes, it works. - AR15.COM

That doesn't particularly bother me. In some (awkward) senses, you could carve a lower outta' wood and it may just work. The upper firing chamber is where things are different. It'll be some time before they can produce a "printable metal" (or other material) that'll handle that kind of charge.

AND, really the main difference between this and available technology is that it takes workmanship/skill out of the picture. A good machinist can manufacture a firearm. But only a gunsmith can do it legally. With the advance of technology, it'll take the skill part out of the equation opening up the field of "builders" considerably. BUT, it'll still be illegal if not gone through the right channels.

...The future will be filled with discoveries that were considered sci fi 5 years ago.

... heck, that's the smart phone in a nut shell.

 

[Bigprairie1]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

Most of the 3D printers out there actually produce a final product out of a type of resin, not actually plastic as most people know plastics (ABS/PVC/etc,etc).
I have done this many times in SLS/SLA formats from Solidworks derived 3D files. All of the final products look quite good but they are very brittle...almost like hard candy. They are not suitable for much except display purposes. Any rugged use or a quick 'rap' with anything and they generally shatter.
The economics of it as well aren't great relative to the final product but they are great for prototyping purposes particularly in the electronics related industry. This 3D prototypings lends itself to hard to produce (ie: machine-$$) shapes for interface devices, etc etc that will later be mass produced are common. This would include switches, hand units like walkie talkies, pos machines, cell phones and similar types of products.
My two bits.
BP

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

YD,

There have been many things I have seen in my 50+ years, that I never thought was going to be possible, but you know, those things are coming true, and I am not willing to discount anything at this point in my life.

Those unwilling to open their mind up are destine to die. It is a plain and simple fact, those coming up behind us, are doing things we never imagined happening.

Gene Rodenberry was considered a nut case, but look at what he wrote about and how many things we now have that he saw in his mind.

I dunno about this .. I have no question about 3d printing or its abilities to quickly produce products. ..

However .. my point is that there will be NO printer that will recreate CELLS ! EVER !

You would have to reproduce a number of things on a molecular level.

You would have to address these issues https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/About/primer/genetics_cell.html

Guns and solid formats Might be a good format for 3d printing .. but NOT human and/or living tissue/cells.

You cant reproduce the living cell with all its micro machines. .. not on a 3d printer.

Possibly with nanob's .. but I highly doubt that too at this point.

I like to think that the Tech of today or the next decade would be able to do such extraordinary things such as these .. But I like to be a bit more conservative.

Machine guns on 3d printers .. I think not. might as well buy the thing instead of making it.

YD.

 

[MTboatguy]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

YD,

I have not been discussing body parts, I have no opinion on that part of this conversation. So I have no understanding why you are addressing me when I have not commented on human cells and 3-D printers, so perhaps you need to address this to the person who was discussing this part of the conversation.

One other thing, we are not talking about machine guns, machine guns are an entirely different beast than an AR15

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 3D Printers . . .

YD,

I have not been discussing body parts, I have no opinion on that part of this conversation. So I have no understanding why you are addressing me when I have not commented on human cells and 3-D printers, so perhaps you need to address this to the person who was discussing this part of the conversation.

One other thing, we are not talking about machine guns, machine guns are an entirely different beast than an AR15

Your right and sorry for lumping you in with my posts on both fronts ..

YD.