4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig?

jeeperman

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Re: 4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig?

Before you buy a 4 cyl. truck in addition to your Exp., crunch the numbers and I bet you will discover your saving nothing even if you triple you mpg.
Since you are gonna keep the Exp. all cost are over and above what it is costing you to run the Exp. now.

How many miles do you tow anything with the Exp. that will instead be towed by the 4 cyl.?

Now figure what those miles will cost you per mile.............
Purchase price
Taxes and tags per year
Insurance per year
Maintence per year
etc. etc.
Then you have to make room for it where your gonna park it.
Also, just because your running a 4 cyl. does not mean your gonna see huge gains in mpg.
Work is work and unless all factors of the 4 cyl. drivetrain are opitmized for towing, your not gonna gain a whole lot.
It might get 25mpg empty on the interstate, but then hook onto 3000lbs and it might be working so hard the mpg drops to 18, 15 or less.
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: 4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig?

What does engine size have to do with braking? Very little when you're talking 4cyl. vs. V-6. You've got some good advice here. I know for a fact the Toyota 4 banger will tow it because I've done it. Hills are slow but the truck does the job. Braking is no different than with one of their V-6 models.
 

scrobo

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Re: 4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig?

LoL

6 months ago I was towing a 14' glass runabout around with a 1990 LeBaron with a 2.5l 4cyl engine. Going camping,

On the hills in Barrie, ON (nice and steep) I was down to 40kms/hr. Lots of extra brake time. Kept her around 100km/hr. Typically ran extremely hot and I even errd on the side of caution and stopped for an hour break to let things cool down.

Although I am not sure what braking has to do with the engine size it COULD have something to do with the engine pressure helping to slow you down with weight pushing you from behind. Letting off the gas and dropping a gear to aid in the slowing.

In town my LeBaron did awesome. In and out of the water with no problems. But I have learned my lesson. I guess if I want a boat I gotta have something bigger. :)
 

calypso

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4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig - Slightly different view

4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig - Slightly different view

Greetings!

I'm toying with buying a trailer for my Hurricane SD 187 (about 3K # with trailer) and towing it behind my RV. That part is no problem.

Launching and recovering with the RV is not going to happen. Instead, I'd like to use my 2003 Honda CR-v AWD. Advertised towing capacity is 1500#. The car weighs 3100 empty.

I'm only talking launch and recover, plus maybe local (flat, city) travel.

Thoughts and recommendations?

Thanks for your time!
 

kenmyfam

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Re: 4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig - Slightly different view

Re: 4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig - Slightly different view

Greetings!

I'm toying with buying a trailer for my Hurricane SD 187 (about 3K # with trailer) and towing it behind my RV. That part is no problem.

Launching and recovering with the RV is not going to happen. Instead, I'd like to use my 2003 Honda CR-v AWD. Advertised towing capacity is 1500#. The car weighs 3100 empty.

I'm only talking launch and recover, plus maybe local (flat, city) travel.

Thoughts and recommendations?

Thanks for your time!

Welcome to iboats.
Remember you are on an incline coming up the ramp with an under rated vehicle.
Will it do it ???
Probably !!!
Would I do it ???
No.
You will put a lot of excess strain on the car.
 

reelfishin

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Re: 4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig?

The stats say that both 4 cyl Toyotas and Nissans are rated to tow 3,500 lbs. Do you think they are really capable of that? A Ranger is rated for only 1400 lbs so that is a big difference that I don't understand. The size and HP of the Ranger is a little less.

Do any of you pull 3000 lbs boats with a small 4 cyl?

The latest Ranger 2.3L is a Mazda built motor, not the well known and proven 2.3/2.5L Lima built engine that they had used for so many years. My 1994 Ranger has the earlier 2.3L engine. The engine is not the problem with my truck, the motor makes power just fine, it's the choice or rear axle gears that they built the truck with. The 7.5" ring and pinion with a 3.08:1 gear ration just isn't low enough for a truck. It would do much better with a 3.73:1 axle ratio.
It does tow fine on the road, you just have to take your time getting going.
I've towed far more than 3500lbs with it on flat road, it has no problem stopping but taking off is done with some caution. I am sure I could push it and move out faster, but I just don't see the need for any added wear and tear on the truck.
If the rear ever happened to fail, it would get rebuilt with 3.73 gears.
If I were to buy a new small truck, I'd probably opt for a 3.0L manual trans Ranger, it still uses the well proven American Made 3.0L engine and you can opt for the towing package and the lower rear axle ratio. The milealge difference would be very slight. Probably better with the V6 vs the 4 cylinder working twice as hard.
One thing I have always noticed was the affect of running the A/C when towing with mine, it can make a huge difference on a small motor.

I don't think the Ranger is a smaller truck than the Toyota? I've had both, and the Ranger is wider, longer and has always seemed like way more of a truck. The Toyota was always too car like for me, I never liked the legs outward seating position and low narrow seats. My Ranger is only an XL and even the low end bench seat is way more comfortable than the SR5 buckets that were in my Toyota. Not to mention that the Ranger has gone twice the mileage with no major repairs, the Toyota always needed something, and even the most minor parts seemed to cost double what the comparable Ford part would have. I kept my last Toyota only 4 years, at 100K it was getting tired, it had lost a lot of it's power, had major body rust, and needed a second complete front end overhaul. Over the coarse of 4 years it needed five manual transmission repairs, all within the first two months, (they finally replaced the entire trans), two engines, (first 22Re threw 2 rods while sitting at a stop light at under 8500 miles), 5 A/C compressors, and it had a real problem with ball joints, the best I could get out a set of ball joints was about 44k. I didn't offroad, the only towing that truck did was an aluminum 16' bass boat every other week or so, which I towed about 10 miles each way to the water. It was ordered with an OEM hitch, whatever the factory towing package consisted of, and the full SR5 package. While I am sure a lot of the problems were due to a very poor dealer at the time, Toyota was of no assistance in getting any of the ongoing problems resolved. It got totaled in the end, and I must say I was relieved to see it go. I went back to a Ford after that and haven't had any problems since. The Toyota was the only 4x4 other than one STX Ranger I had just before I bought that Toyota. I had liked the look of the Toyota and had gotten a good price, so I traded a perfectly good Ranger for what turned out to be the worst truck I've ever owned. The reason why I had gone to the Toyota was that I was impressed with how much better the Toyota accelerated compared to the 2.9L Ranger back then.
It was at least twice as fast and got better mileage, but it just didn't hold up. I sold the Ranger to a neighbor at the time and he's still driving it today.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: 4 Cyl tow 3k lb rig?

Will the 4 cyl do it? Yes ..... but.

I once towed a 5000 pound trailer with my 1989 Isuzu 4WD pickup (2.6 litre 4 cylinder) from Rhode Island to New Orleans. That meant dealing with the hills of Virginia and a few other "problems." What made it possible was the low gear ratio (4.55 if I remember correctly), four wheel disc brakes and the fact that the trailer had brakes too.

The question is, "would I have done this on a regular basis?" The answer to that is no, not so much over safety issues but because of wear & tear on the truck. Concern about the engine is not the only issue either. Towing weights on the upper end of a vehicle's capability stresses everything from the engine to the tranny to the rear end and brakes.

One comment I would make about safety though is that, if you ever have a trailer come off of the hitch at highway speeds, you will wish whatever you are towing it with was ten times bigger until the safety chains break, which they probably will. I had this happen in a loaded, 24 foot U-Haul truck with a 6x12 trailer on the back. I was absolutely astounded at how much that trailer, which weighed a fraction of what the truck did, whipped the back of the truck around.

I would say buy as much truck as you feel you can afford and choose after some research. As others have said, you might actually do just as well on gas.
 

SgtMaj

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Small, lightweight, and towing, don't mix well.
 

bamafutbal

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99 toyota 4runner with 5 speed 4 cyl, pulled a 89 mastercraft to the lake and back for 3 years with no problems, no trailer brakes and round trip was about 50 miles
 

jay_merrill

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One other thought - in regard to manual trannies, there are some options in regard clutches. I put a Centerforce, heavy duty clutch in my Isuzu just before the trip that I mentioned previously. I don't think the stock clutch would have done very well with the weight I had on the back of the vehicle.

I still would not have made a habit of pulliing that kind of load though, because some of the research that I did beforehand indicated that the weak link in that particular tranny was the bearings. The very nice person at Isuzu USA that I talked to, and who gave me real info rather than the standard CYA, non-answers that you normally get during such calls, told me that, with improved clutch, the truck would probably do OK. He then said that later models of the same tranny had heavier bearings because they were seeing a lot of wear in the older vehicles that towed "heavier" loads frequently.

I guess my overall point here, is that there is a lot more to towing heavy loads than just the engine size, tow vehicle weight and tow vehicle brakes.
 
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