454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

Bud B

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Hi all,

Have year 2000 454 MPI 385hp horizon motors with MEFI-3 (s/n OL390900)
twin engine installation. Last two weeks have been losing the rest of my hair trying to weed out cause of an rpm reduction problem that doesnt set codes.

Have searched through your threads and see many others with same symptoms, most of whom find a solution in fuel, sensors, or discrete switches like the oil pressure switch. or a bad ECM.

Cut to the chase... Have done all those things followed procedure in the factory manual for no codes non -scan testing, and swapped most suspect sensor parts (MAP, ECT, IAT, TPS, OP switch) with new parts or trial parts of other motor. New cap, rotor, module, wires. new fuel filters, full fuel pressure 43 pounds constant, compression is even.

Someitmes the problem goes away tempoirarily with a cool down overnight. . and we think we solved it but it came back and seems permanent now.\But running it under load for a while it runs up ok then cuts down to 2500 max like half power.sound like RPM reduction mode, but the factory manual states that thi MEFI-3 does not have RPM reduction for this motor.

Have not yet done injectors, becasue they are inaccessible without a time consuming disassembly of the manifold.but since everything else seems to have been eliminated, we now suspect them or a short in the harness somewhere affected by temp. WHen the problem is there 4 cylinders go down.

Question is: if ONE injector is internally shorted out will it make THREE others go down?
 

Tail_Gunner

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

Yes mefi 3 does have a limp mode and your fuel pressure should be 30lbs +- 4lbs

Warning system: http://www.boatfix.com/merc/Bullet/99/99_03.pdf

GM Part No.MEFI Type
16159919MEFI-116189069MEFI-116220371MEFI-116234539MEFI-1*16210729MEFI-216237009MEFI-316237019CEFI-316236999MEFI-3*12489488MEFI-312489493MEFI-312569494MEFI-412575479MEFI-4a88962717MEFI-4a88962718MEFI-4a12584052MEFI-4b12597744MEFI-512607802MEFI-5a

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Bud B

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback. Today we found three injectors that had salt deposits on them and vom showed their coils leaking to ground. I have to assume this probably gets worse when hot. We'll see when we get the injectors. Nice prices.

A few weeks ago an exhaust hose clamp let go and exhaust water sprayed on the engine. Thats where I think the salt came from. ITs all fitting together now.

THis is a Cool Fuel setup on a Gen Vi horizon motor. fuel presure spec is 41-43according to the factory manual for this serial number.
 

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

TBI i assume..Do you have the old injectors dont let them go. If it is tbi the injectors have color coded rings on the male mounts..It indicates there flow rates..Very important..One can pick them up in a good parts store for about 80 a pair..

One part number with many different flow rates you decode the flow rate by that colored collar on the contacts.
 

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

The OP said MPI. My TBI only has two injectors.
 

Tail_Gunner

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

The OP said MPI. My TBI only has two injectors.


Have year 2000 454 MPI 385hp horizon motors with MEFI-3 (s/n OL390900)
twin engine installation. Last two weeks have been losing the rest of my hair trying to weed out cause of an rpm reduction problem that doesnt set codes.


if ONE injector is internally shorted out will it make THREE others go down


1+3=4
 

Bud B

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

Hi,

No this is definitely an MPI system with 8 injectors. IT is a speed density system that fires of 4 injectors wired in parallel at a time. Which is why I was thinking that just ONE bad one would stop the other three. Or if it does in fact have the limp mode, it shuts four of them off.

It does have an oil pressure switch at the back of the engine AND a pressure sender at the filter. Says here thats what triggers the limp mode. Ours was defective. But I think its the bad injectors now.

THeres alot of conflicting info out there. THIs must be the reason Mercruiser uses serial numbers to ID everything. But even their manuals are vague.No wonder dealers throw parts at them til they work.

We'll see how the new injectors do. Im never certain of anytihng with these bad boys.

Tks
 

Bud B

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

Oh and ya these injectors have a yellow band on them. I wondered what that was for. Tks.
 

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

Not to get off topic, but do they make TBI (Thottle Body Injection) with more than two injectors?
 

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

Not to get off topic, but do they make TBI (Thottle Body Injection) with more than two injectors?


Nope...sorry thought it was tbi...:D..Ive been tinkering again to much..
 

Bud B

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

HALLELUIA!!! THE injectors were the problem! Apparently salt spray ran in the connectors and enough of it found its way inside the to the coil creating an electrical path to the body of the injector. Had three of them and all measured resistance from the terminals to the body. HArd to find cuz they still clicked when cold, but when hot would fail. Or otherwise possibly send the comp to limp mode. Anyway the new ones did the trick . Happy.
 

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Re: 454 MEFI-3 mimics limp mode-no codes

Hey, just and update to this thread. THis same thing happened again this month Jan 2011 , again with no codes. But1,2,4, and 7 cylinders went down. (This is multiport, but not sequential EFI) THis time we went right to the injectors, pulled the connectors off 1,2,4, and 7 and then checked each of those four injectors with an ohm meter measuring about 15 ohms to spec on 3 of them and 2 ohms on one which was also shorting to the case. just ONE bad one. We put on the other three connectors and started it and noticed a dramatic improvement, even though it was running on only 7. So the answer to the very first question I had at the beginning is YES< WHEN ONE INJECTOR SHORTS OUT IT DOES IN FACT AFFECT THE OTHER THREE ON THAT CIRCUIT. The short apparently makes the other three injectors stay open, causuing a rich or flood condition, which if you continue to run it then black fouls the 4 associated plugs too, which you also have to clean. So simple when you know. Hope this helps someone.
 
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