69 evinrude 55hp start stall

Cheeze75

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Motor wont idle it starts runs rough then stalls good compression and good spark .motors dumping some gas out the exhaust. new fuel pump thinking choke issues ?any help would be great!runs much better outta the water on muffs still stalling though if throttle up can keep it running for bit then stalls.
 

jimmbo

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Are you using the choke?
First thing is compression Test
Is the spark able to jump a 7/16"gap at all cylinders?
Are carbs clean? Floats set properly?
Idle Mixture adjusted correctly?
Fuel Pump diaphragm intact(no pinholes)?

That engine will run one cylinder when on the Muffs...

The breaker points on that Engine need to be set precisely, and need to be perfectly clean.
 

racerone

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Slow speed needles are initially set at about 5/8 turn out on those motors.-----Is the thermo-electric choke system still as installed at the factory, yes , no or not sure ?----Is the thermostat installed and working properly ?----Have you removed the flywheel to do NEEDED service on points , anti-reversing spring , cleaning of rotor and distributor cap ?---They all " bark and roar " on muffs and sound great.---Checked the gear oil ?----Filled it with correct TYPE-C gear oil ?-----Owned it a long time or recent " aquasition " for you.
 

Tim Frank

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Have you removed the flywheel to do NEEDED service on points , anti-reversing spring , cleaning of rotor and distributor cap ?---.

But do ***NOT **** try to resurface them. They are $$$$.
They are quite different electrically from points in a mag ignition.
They have a coating that nearly eliminates wear and pitting....break it and they wear quickly....first hand knowledge that cost me $50- per set. Still not sure why they they started to wear because of my well-intentioned "ooooops".

Had that model for 30+ years. Never was a great idler.

How did you decide that the spark was" good"? It should jump 3/.8" (edit: 7/16" is even better.... :) ) using an air-gap tester......only really useful test.
If you are using surface gap plugs....dump them for the gapped plug that became the recommended option. QL77JC4 I think....but check.

At this age they are prone to under the cowling wire insulation deterioration. These were first gen CDI ignition systems and can suffer odd symptoms when primary wiring loses its integrity.
Do a good physical check on that wiring.
 

racerone

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There is very little pitting / wear on these breakers due to the low voltage / current across them.------They actually run very well at idle as I remember when working them.----Worked on them when they were NEW back in those good old days.
 

Joe Reeves

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S/Plugs should be Champion L77JC4 or QL77JC4 plugs gaped at .030 ("Q" = Suppressor plug).

The spark, at the spark plug lead should jump a 1/4" gap on that model, due to the rotor & distributor cap setup, with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP!

In all probability, the carburetors should be cleaned.
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(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)
(J. Reeves)

Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.

Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

Note 1: As a final double check setting of the slow speed valve(s), if the engine has more than one carburetor, do not attempt to gradually adjust all of the valves/carburetors at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve/carburetor. It may be necessary to back out "all" of the slow speed adjustable needle valves 1/8 turn before doing this final adjustment due to the fact that one of the valves might be initially set ever so slightly lean.

Note 2: If the engine should be a three (3) cylinder engine with three (3) carburetors, start the adjustment sequence with the center carburetor.

When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
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(Point Setting Of Battery Capacitance Discharge)
( Ignition Models - 1968 thru 1972)
(Some have points - Some do not)
(Joe Reeves)

The points must be set to .010 but no wider than .010..... BUT in some instances due to a possible slight inaccurately machined crankshaft lobe or a slight offset of one set of points, a setting slightly less than .010 would be required as follows.

Whether the crankshaft has two or three lobes, when setting the points, check the setting of the points on each individual lobe by rotating the crankshaft by hand.

You may find that setting one set of points to .010 on one lobe, then turning the crankshaft to the next lobe, the gap measures .011 or .012 (too wide). This is where you would need to close that gap down to the required .010. A gap too wide can result in a ignition miss when throttle is applied.

Bottom line, pertaining to the point setting at the various lobe locations____ .010, .010, .009, is okay____ .010, .010, .011 is not!
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NOTE!.... Entries of a generality nature such as "Spark is good... Compression is good" means nothing as it does not carry the precise notation needed to make the engine run properly. Try to be as precise as possible so as not to have you & us jumping back and forth with questions/answers in trying to pin down what you're encountering on that end.

With "all" s/plugs removed...
What is the compression psi reading of the three individual cylinders of that engine?

Does the spark actually jump a 1/4" "Air Gap" with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP via "all" three spark plug leads at cranking speed?
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(Spark Tester - Home Made)
(J. Reeves)

You can use a medium size philips screwdriver (#2 I believe) inserted into the spark plug boot spring connector, then hold the screwdriver shank approximately 7/16" away from the block to check the spark or build the following:

A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a few finishing nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere. Use small alligator clips on the other end of the wires to connect to ground and to the spark plug connector that exists inside of the rubber plug boot.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas they could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:

..........X1..........X2

.................X..(grd)

..........X3..........X4

This can obviously be modified to a 6 or 8 cylinder setup tester.
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Cheeze75

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7 / 16 on all three. Gears shifting good wire repaired that was fun.evinrude type c replaced.rectifier replaced got 14v now.120psi approx all three .point are set at .010 there were at .009 new fuel pump carbs cleaned rebuilt new lines and base plate wires replaced lots of corrosion grounding out just wiresthe rest was clean .found fuel tube liner wedged in reeds cleaned them they look mint no light but maybe there worn . Starts in water then wont idle its flooding can keep it running if give it more air and lots of throttle . Lot of smoke gas mix white. 5/8 slow speed needle . Just got the boat ,first one havent got to go fishing yet this year lots of repairs and waiting for parts. Just Adjusted choke think I have working correctly have to check the function still when running.On the muffs runs ok with a little throttle.then idle drops slowly and then stalls . I'm putting in a new impeller before the spring inspected old one its a little worn not to bad. Plugs are manufacturer recommend.
 

racerone

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You have spark.------You have compression.-------Carburetors cleaned / rebuilt.----Did you check for proper crankcase compression ?----Is gearcase in good condition ?-----Carburetors properly adjusted ?-----Then motor should run nicely.
 

oldboat1

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some possibilities:


top of a carb or carbs dirty (under expansion plug)

needles not readjusted after carb cleaning

exhaust blockage

water in fuel

incorrect fuel ratio

engine running cold

lower crank seal leak



You need to have the l.u. submerged to do any tuning (cannot run over high idle either on muffs or in a barrel, but lack needed back pressure on muffs).

What do you mean when you say you “give it more air” to keep it running?
 

Cheeze75

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Choke was set wrong corrected now fires right up before I even turn the key. Its idling high but smooth. Revs up and down . ( not holding to high in the bucket)Throttle is all the way back and wont go lower then start position. Any higher and the no start kill kicks in.( cant lower rpms after start). Need to read up on adjustment. butterflys are in line with each other and throttle cam is adjusted to indicator.
 
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