70hp 1977 Evinrude speed related miss

max4owner

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My engine has been running fine until 2 weeks ago. Now, it has a "speed" related engine miss. When tied to the dock under load (full throttle, low RPM's) it appears to run very steady, with very few misses. But as it winds up, it start missing. It will run great for 10 seconds, then sputter and miss, and then run a few more seconds, then sputter and miss, etc. It the brief periods it hits, it runs just great. And then it stumbles. I can't say it is totally speed related, but the problem is most pronounced as the engine winds up.<br /><br />Just FYI, the only things that have ever been done to the powerhead is plugs, fuel pump, carb rebuilding, and 1 head gasket. It is running the jets for the 75HP and timing was retarded 1 degree (just like the 75HP). I always use the engine conditioner and the anti carbon additive. And until 2 weeks ago, it was a smooth beast - incredible for a 26 year old engine!<br /><br />To date, everything I have tried hasn't worked.<br /><br />To try to resolve this condition <br /><br />1. I've used new fuel in a new tank.<br />2. Installed new plugs (the old plugs looked fine).<br />3. I've cleaned the carbs (they were rebuilt last year).<br />4. Cleaned all connections in both the powerpack and electrical bus (I "oxguarded" the clean <br />terminals)<br />5. Checked the timing and made sure it advanced properly<br />6. Checked to see that each spark was 1/2" long with a spark tester.<br />7. Checked compression (on 3 rotations, the pressure is 90PSI in each cylinder, 5 to 6 rotations, and it is 115, 120, 115 PSI.<br />8. Vacuumed checked the fuel pump to make sure it wasn't perfed and sucking gas into cylinder 3. The fuel pump vacuum line was also dry.<br />9. Pump the bulb during testing, just in case it was the fuel pump, to no effect.<br /><br />By pulling various spark plug wires at the dock, I think the problem is in Cylinder 3. When 1 & 2 are running, the engine runs very smooth. When 3 and either 1 or 2 are running, the engine will shutter slightly. However, I did run the engine with just 3 plugged in and it seemed to run OK. <br /><br />I swapped the bottom and top carb and re-synchronized. I didn't do the spark plug wire pulling again (ran out of time), but I did run the engine and the symptions were the same. <br /><br />If there is some cheap test equipment out there that will lead to a definative answer, I will buy it.<br /><br />At this point, I don't think it is ignition related, but I don't have the test equipment specified in the manual. I can't be sure. <br /><br />The cooling system on the engine is a bit weird as it doesn't have a pee hole, but the engine isn't running hot. A thermocouple had it running at 110 degrees above the inspection port. It might be running a bit cool.<br /><br />From the forum, I suspect that it could be the lower crank case seal. Is there a way to test this before pulling the engine apart?<br /><br />Is there a way to test a reed block before pulling it apart?<br /><br />I still plan to do a little more work before giving up and taking to the shop. Any suggestions?
 

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Re: 70hp 1977 Evinrude speed related miss

Hi, Max.<br /><br />You sure have done a lot to eliminate possible causes.<br /><br />Some thoughts on the modifications. The 75 has several differences from the 70. The change in timing is to accomodate higher compression, which you don't have. The change in jetting is to accomodate improved breathing, which you don't have.<br /><br />I think my next step would be to return to 70 specs and tuning. I suspect that your "miss" is "4 cycling" from too rich a mixture at high rpm.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

max4owner

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Re: 70hp 1977 Evinrude speed related miss

JB - are you sure the 77 70HP has different breathing and compression from the 77 75HP? <br /><br />We checked the parts between the two powerheads and the only different numbers were for the carb jets. Both engines were on the same microfich page. It was easy to see the only difference was the jets.<br /><br />And it ran great for months with the 75HP jets.<br /><br />Thanks (and I am considering putting in the old jets and timing just to be sure . . .).
 

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Re: 70hp 1977 Evinrude speed related miss

I changed back to the 70HP jets and also adjusted the timing back to 17 degrees BTC as spec'ed.<br /><br />The engine still has a speed related missing exactly as before. No improvement or degredation.<br /><br />However, I did the spark plug test. Results:<br /><br />With #1 pulled, the engine ran horribly - conclusion: 2 or 3 bad<br />With #2 pulled, the engine ran much better with only the occasional shutter - conclusion: 2 is bad<br />With #3 pulled, the engine ran bad, but not as bad as with #1 pulled - conclusion 2 or 1 is bad.<br /><br />Well, logic rules out #1 and also that #2 is the major problem with some missing in #3.<br /><br />What do you think it could be?
 

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Re: 70hp 1977 Evinrude speed related miss

Max..... A breakup as you describe it would indicate an ignition problem. If fuel related, the miss would be a gradual surging up and down type scenario.<br /><br />Inspect the spark plug electrodes and porcelin areas closely for very small beads, possibly small enough to resemble pin point infractions. If this condition is found on one spark plug, that would indicate that either a head gasket or an exhaust baffle gasket is starting to fail but ever so slightly which would allow a faint trace of water enter the cylinder when the engine is under a load.<br /><br />You've pretty well eliminated the usual causes of a sharp acting ignition type problem.<br /><br />Should I think of other possible causes, I'll get back to you.
 

max4owner

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Re: 70hp 1977 Evinrude speed related miss

Hi all - thanks for your suggestions to date.<br /><br />As the machine runs and we look down the carb throats, we did notice little puffs like the fuel didn't completely vaporize before it hit the throat. <br /><br />Is this normal?<br /><br />I have followed all suggestions, but the problem of missing or surging still exists. <br /><br />The machine will run just great under full throttle tied to the dock at WOT albeit somewhat lower RPM. Release it from the dock and the surging begins. <br /><br />The plugs look fine under a microscope. I pulled each carb and made sure the floats were 1/16 and inch above the gasket. I also pulled the reed valves and they are beautiful. I cleaned the reed valves with carb cleaner (really not necessary).<br /><br />Finally, I'm backing off that a particular cylinder is troublesome. When tied to the dock and pulling plug wires at WOT, only the expected occurs.<br /><br />Today, I'll pull the inspection plate and look around and most likely replace the fuel pump and thermostat just in case. Maybe once it starts moving, it cools down due to water being forced into the engine. Just a thought.
 

max4owner

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Re: 70hp 1977 Evinrude speed related miss

To close this topic out -<br /><br />The speed related miss was a cracked ignition coil that would drop out intermittantly - especially as the RPM (and perhaps voltage) would increase.<br /><br />It was discovered by the use of an inductive tachometer. The cylinder with the cracked coil would show a much greater drop in RPM when the missing would start vs. the other cylinders.<br /><br />Thanks to all that helped!
 
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