'76 85HP Evinrude Problems

borz170

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After several months of attempting to help my brother fine tune his engine via phone, I have finally been able to put my hands on it. I'm pretty close, but I thought I'd ask the pannel of experts.

Main problem: "Engine not firing on all 4". Carbs have been rebuilt, all new fuel lines replaced, new spark plugs gapped at .032", correct fuel mixture, etc.

Engine ran well for first hour, 5 people onboard the 17' deep V(unknown boat builder). Boat had to be fine tuned b/c it was not running at WOT. Carbs were sync'd, but the throttle was only opening 3/4ths of the way. I adjusted the linkage so the throttle would open up all the way. Spark advance was fully opened at the same time as WOT. (I am not an expert, but I think this is a correct sync and link). Next, I had to adjust the throttle cable so that the engine would idle down when taken out of gear. I know there is another way to adjust idle, but this worked, allowing the engine to idle down to normal and throttle up to WOT/full spark advance. All was well until it began to miss. We got back to the dock at WOT, not allowing the engine to idle at all, just coasted into port(I wanted to see the plugs after running hot with no idle ), then pulled her out. Bottom two spark plugs were dry and white. Top two plugs were charred black and dry, not wet. I noticed that gas was leaking from the male fule line connection on the top carb's float bowl when bulb was pumped. My Bro told me that when he rebuilt the carbs, he noticed that this connection would pull out of the float bowl easily.

I am goint to replace the float bowl and retry with fresh plugs.

By the way, compression was 118, 118, 118 and 105. 105 was one of the white spark plugs.

I checked spark via grounding a plug to the block and found = looking spark x 4.

Any input/feedback would be much appreciated.
 

R.Johnson

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Re: '76 85HP Evinrude Problems

Although those compression figures don't look all that bad, I would still pull the head on that low cylinder. You are kind of groping in the dark otherwise.
 

borz170

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Re: '76 85HP Evinrude Problems

What would I gain by pulling the head?
 

borz170

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Re: '76 85HP Evinrude Problems

So, I replaced the lower float bowl and put a new set of plugs in. I also took apart the stator, trigger and cleaned/lubed them because the spark advance was hesitant and was only opening up half way. This fixed the spark advance and leak problems. Sea trial went smooth, engine had no hesitation and felt stronger than ever. Ran at various RPMs for approx 1 hr. Pulled boat out and checked spark plugs. They all seemed to be hot, the top two may have been a little cooler than the bottom ones but not very much. Again, the top two plugs were dry and black, the bottom two were dry and white. I have never seen this before.

I can only think of one explanation for this. This motor is a combination of at least two motors, if not more (85hp, 115hp). The carbs are definately the right ones for an 85hp, however I may have the wrong float bowl covers on the carbs. I believe the float bowl covers have the high speed jet in them, located behind the two drain plugs. If this is the case, it may be possible that I have a 115 hp float bowl cover on an 85 hp carb, causing the associated spark plugs to be fowling out. Concurrently, the the bottom two cylinders (with the correct carb/cover) are firing efficiently.

Tomorrow I will be taking apart the carbs to check if the float bowl covers contain the same size jets.

Any thoughts?
 

F_R

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Re: '76 85HP Evinrude Problems

Sounds like yer on the right track
 

iwombat

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Re: '76 85HP Evinrude Problems

"Spark advance was fully opened at the same time as WOT."

Spark should be fully advanced before WOT, I'm pretty sure. (thinking . . . or is it the other way around. Damn, now I've confused myself. Nevermind.)
 

R.Johnson

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Re: '76 85HP Evinrude Problems

There are four high speed jet's in that engine, do they match?
 

borz170

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Re: '76 85HP Evinrude Problems

Well, I did it. Before I get into the story I would like to say thanks for the help. I also want to express how annoyed I become when people ask for advice but never reply to let the helpers out there know if they helped out.

As I mentioned earlier, this motor was made up of at least two others, 115hp and 85hp. I took thye float bowls off and comparred the high speed jets. They were noticably bigger on the carb which was fouling out plugs. I corrected the issue and no more fouled plugs, yeah!!

Thanks again,

Mike
 
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