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mattttt25

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here's my thought... there has to be 1000 different religions in the world (probably many more, but accept my number for now). let's assume one of those religions are correct (one has to be correct, right?). that means the other 9,999 types of folllowers are wrong. yup, most people are praying the wrong way, not eating meat on friday's for no reason, etc. you have to agree thus far, right?<br /><br />so what happens when the most of us worshipping the wrong being the wrong way die? now you religious types are going to say, "don't worry, god forgives." ok, i'll buy that. so does god forgive all the people following 9,999 wrong religions? if he does, he's a cool dude. but then we're all going to heaven, right? wait.... so it doesn't matter what religion we follow, we're all going to heaven???? that's cool.<br /><br />hold on. we can't all go to heaven. what about those murderers and rapists? they have to go to hell, because heaven is getting pretty darn full. do we forgive them, too?<br /><br /><br />yeah, this post was pretty dumb. but did i hit on something? does it really matter what you worship? do you even have to worship? do you really have to go to a building called a church and hang out with your neighbors? maybe it all boils down to simply being a good person, as we all know it?
 

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Maybe they are all correct, maybe they are all wrong. It doesn't matter.<br /><br />What matters is that almost all religions and denominations agree on how we should treat our fellow humans, though most don't follow their own advice.
 

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Just a thought, Ephesians 4:5 "One lord one faith one baptism."
 

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I can't quote chapter and verse but I recall:<br /><br />Each man is a temple within himself.If he worships from within he knows G O D.
 

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With respect to different religions, I remember an analogy my father used. On the other side of the ridge is the grist mill. Now, when you take your corn to get it ground, you can go around the ridge. It's a long way, but there's no climbing and it's easy.<br /><br />You can go up over the ridge at an angle. It's steeper than going around, but it's much shorter.<br /><br />Or, you can go right over the top of the ridge. It's the hardest and steepest of all, but the quickest.<br /><br />However, when you get to the mill, the miller doesn't care how you got there. He just wants to know if you got the corn.
 

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matt25<br /> this is an argument my sister and I have several time per year:)<br /> if you look probably 90% of the 1000 religions have the same basic tenants. some have lesser gods or dieties or even angels that are prayed to and worshipped but most hold that there is one "main" god. some of the religions pre-date christianity by several thousand yeras but the basic tenants are about the same.
 

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i like the ones with 87 virgins.. sign me up.. :) ..<br /><br />( i'll probably be assigned 87 virgin monks )..
 

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This was a very thoughful post on your part. A deep thoughtful one, with no outside influence from Jack.<br />And I am no theologic scholar, but have my own answers based on the truths of my studies... And I'm old (whole lotta questions thruought my life that I sought answers for). Don't we all ask them?<br /><br /><br />
Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /> here's my thought... there has to be 1000 different religions in the world (probably many more, but accept my number for now). let's assume one of those religions are correct (one has to be correct, right?).<br /> that means the other 9,999 types of folllowers are wrong. yup, most people are praying the wrong way, not eating meat on friday's for no reason, etc. you have to agree thus far, right?<br />
<br />correct.<br /><br />
Originally posted by mattttt25:<br />so what happens when the most of us worshipping the wrong being the wrong way die? now you religious types are going to say, "don't worry, god forgives." ok, i'll buy that. so does god forgive all the people following 9,999 wrong religions? if he does, he's a cool dude. but then we're all going to heaven, right?
<br />Don't worry, God forgives.Short answer,Yes. In my faith, "all who seek him shall be saved", and all the other references to the subject in the Bible....They hold promise for us sinners.<br />
Originally posted by mattttt25:<br />wait.... so it doesn't matter what religion we follow, we're all going to heaven???? that's cool. hold on. we can't all go to heaven. what about those murderers and rapists? they have to go to hell, because heaven is getting pretty darn full. do we forgive them, too?<br />
<br /><br />God created us for a purpose. You will not find that purpose anywhere in this life. Sad, kind of...But we are only here for a split second, and then----We had our chance to become self-aware, declare our intent, and "make our mark" in this life. Some never seem to "make any marks" that leave any sort of legacy behind, but even this does not condemn them to hell.But interestingly, Niether does murder,rape, or whatever other deadly sins they may commit in thier brief time here! That, to me, gives such meaning to this life!<br />We are all sinners. The difference between me and some other sinner may be that he never asked God to forgive him, and accept Jesus (God's son who died for all man's sins) as just that---My saviour. and I did. I'll not see that soul after my earthly time.I'll be with God, and He''ll be in perminent torment.<br />
Originally posted by mattttt25:<br />yeah, this post was pretty dumb. but did i hit on something? does it really matter what you worship?
Not dumb at all. These are questions that give the basic reason for living briefly...To be asked and answered, and life adjustments made to give us promise to the next place.<br />Of course, you hit on the biggy...The one which the answer too , gives images of people, even grown men, in tears, kneeling on the floor, asking for forgiveness, and just as quickly, being forgiven by an awesome,loving God! You hit the "biggy" on the head.<br />
Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /><br /> do you even have to worship? do you really have to go to a building called a church and hang out with your neighbors?
<br />Define "worship". If you define it as going to a building called a church and hanging out with your nieghbors, no, You don't. I go to church every Sunday that I am not so sick with a cold or bug, that I'm contagious...But I worship him. Also, I often like to pick a very calm time on the water to go out and anchor my little boat, and just admire his creation as it surounds me. That is my other church.<br />
Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /><br /> maybe it all boils down to simply being a good person, as we all know it?
Most good people end up getting saved by the time they are gone. This is probably due to good people allways searching for the good, and hpefully, finding him, and being saved. Of course, not all good people will go to heaven. As God resides in heaven, they have no home to go to, and they have no relationship at all with God.<br /><br /><br />This is just my personal belief, and the cornerstone of my personal salvaton, Matt. My strongest advice would be to keep searching until you find him. Ask those who claim to walk with God, regardless of what earthly church they go to, even if it's the "Church of the Other Side of the Alva Boat Ramp".<br />I would "seek him", and ask for his forgivness, and accept his son as the one who made that possible.<br />God Bless you, Matt.
 

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Thank heaven we have 12 footer around to explain God to the rest of us heathens.<br /><br />To paraphrase Mark Twain "When I reflect on the number of disagreeable people I know that have gone on to a better life, I am moved to change."<br /><br />Or:<br /><br />"Heaven for climate; H e l l for society"
 

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There may be literally billions of religions. After all, five or six were invented right here, just now.
 

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> Thank heaven we have 12 footer around to explain God to the rest of us heathens.<br /><br />To paraphrase Mark Twain "When I reflect on the number of disagreeable people I know that have gone on to a better life, I am moved to change."<br /><br />Or:<br /><br />"Heaven for climate; H e l l for society"
And you are also quite a disagreeable person. And niether are you the theologian, are ya?<br />I don't want to get into any cat fights with you or other members here, that end-up derailing the thread in a rash of labling and name-callling. <br />How about taking a seriuos, objective participation, and set the brinksmanship asside, for the sake of shedding a little light on these PROFOUND questions? They are so much bigger than us all.<br />Can't we have just one thread where people can answer the questions from thier own opinion, without having someone else post just to blast said opinion with hurtfull flaming?<br />Why not sit this one out, Mark, if you have no real opinion or interest other than to derail thru posting childish flames?
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Maybe they are all correct, maybe they are all wrong. It doesn't matter.<br /><br />What matters is that almost all religions and denominations agree on how we should treat our fellow humans, though most don't follow their own advice.
I'll stand in agreement with such sentiment.
 

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> There may be literally billions of religions. After all, five or six were invented right here, just now.
Ain't that the truth!!!???? Some of this stuff ain't EVEN in the Bible...<br /><br />Some people say that going to Heaven is like the old saying: "All roads lead to Rome"...nothing could be further fromt eh truth. From Genesis to Revelations, there is an EXPLICIT road map that spells out EXACTLY what the plan is to make it, and all was in place before Adam and Eve sinned, and was put in place immediately. I am very sorry to have to dispel the myth that it doesn't matter how you get to Heaven as long as you get there, because if one reads the Bible, it is pretty plain that there is ONLY ONE ROAD you can take to get there. Remember what was said: If any man cometh in any other way, he is a robber or a thief. Sounds kinda like ONE way, huh? Jesus said, "Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. " <br /><br />Take all that with a grain of salt and season your thoughts a little, for I know without a doubt that most people will do what they feel is good and proper, and ignore the scriptures if they disagree with their "tolerant" human policies.<br /><br />To Bart: I searched the entire Bible and have to say that "Each man is a temple within himself.If he worships from within he knows G O D." isn't there...however, I did find these:<br /><br />1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. <br /><br />1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? <br /><br />2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. <br /><br />Carrotsnapper, you hit the nail on the head: Just a thought, Ephesians 4:5 "One lord one faith one baptism."
 

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Thank you Flatbottoms.I stand corrected.
 

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but do you worship a god that condememed millions of souls to hell cause they happened to be borm 20 thousand years or more before christianity? as religions go the christian cult is relativly new. and for centuries the catholics ran the brothels and made all the money. its all well documented. christianity has been mostly used as a tool to control the masses with ,I suspect, quite a bit "written in" to assist with it. I dont mind being a devout folower. just some people are rapid in the path and wont tolerate other views of the same god from a different hilltop.<br /> 12footer<br /> how many millions are going to heII just because they happened to be born years and centuries before christ? or are they like others are to you and not human either?
 

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Originally posted by crab bait:<br /> i like the ones with 87 virgins.. sign me up.. :) ..<br /><br />( i'll probably be assigned 87 virgin monks )..
Ya gotta die a martyr first. And therein we demonstrate the stupidity of one intepretation of one version of one religion, which ain't any more or less stupid than any others.<br /><br />A martyr arrives in heaven after a busy day of flying planes into buildings or blowing up school buses or crowded public places. Naturally as a strict Muslim fighting the infidels he's shaved his body before embarking on his slaughter so he'll be clean on entering heaven, just as at least one of the 9/11 ringleaders did and many others do, the Koran being big on body hair and what to do with it (True.).<br /><br />Allah looks down at the bucket that's holding what's left of the martyr and says "Lucky you shaved all over Mohamed or you'd be such a mess I couldn't have let you in. Hey, Fatima, come over here and meet your new eternal master."<br /><br />She picks up the bucket and calls the other 4 virgins over.<br /><br />A voice from the bucket says "What's this with only 5 virgins? Where's the rest?"<br /><br />"Sorry, Mohamed, there's a bit of shortage. What with all the foreign aid and improved health care the West brought into the Islamic world people are living a lot longer than they used to when they just relied on praying to Allah to cure disease. Hardly anyone dies a young virgin now. Although there's still a few really old ones. Speaking of which I'd like you to know that I'm the youngest and prettiest of your virgins. I was barely 80 years old when I died. The virgin shortage hasn't been helped by all you boys blowing yourselves up and using up the available supply. We've been rationing them for years."<br /><br />"You mean this is what I get? Just five of you? All over 80? To last me for eternity?"<br /><br />"Afraid so, Mohamed old sport. Anyway, you wouldn't have been any better off with the full quota."<br /><br />"Huh? I'd have stacks more to play with."<br /><br />"Not really. Whatever you get has to last you for eternity. You can't spread whatever you've got across eternity because it has no end. Even if you had a million virgins and only popped one a year, that'd be only a million earth years. It's not even a split second in eternity. Once you've used them up that's it. If you don't use them up you're missing out. Either way you miss out. For eternity."<br /><br />"Sh!t!" says Mohamed, "I've been ripped off. Whatever number of virgins I got it would have been an eternal torment. Is this heaven or hell? I guess I'll have to content myself with 5 ancient virgins."<br /><br />Fatima looks sadly at him and says "I don't think so."<br /><br />"Why not?"<br /><br />"You know that explosive belt you were wearing?"<br /><br />"Yeah. So what?"<br /><br />"Where did it do the most damage?"<br /><br />"On the bus."<br /><br />"No, on you, master."<br /><br />"Ohhhh. You don't mean ......?"<br /><br />"Exactly. You ain't gonna be doing anything to anyone for eternity."<br /><br />Mohamed thinks for a while and asks "Did you find a finger in the bucket?"<br /><br />Fatima says "Yes, but if you think you're gonna nail anyone that way you're gonna be disappointed."<br /><br />One of the other virgins whispers something to Fatima. Mohamed asks what did she say. Fatima says "She says I've put you back the wrong way and that your arsehole is where your mouth ought to be, but I told her that you and your kind always talked through your arseholes on earth so that was the way to reassemble you up here. I hope you enjoy your time here, master."
 

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yeah, but when do they get to the virgin monk part..?? :)
 

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Originally posted by crab bait:<br /> yeah, but when do they get to the virgin monk part..?? :)
When they take the martyrs to the celestial zoo and show 'em the monkey cage?
 

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I myself am with crab baits first post. yer dead in the physical sense. <br /><br />To me, heaven or hell is how those who knew you remember you. Meaning those alive now and those yet to come who will be told about you by those who knew you. <br /><br />Thus, were you a good person you will be remembered as and spoken about as a good person, therefore, heaven. Were you a bad egg, spoken of in a negative fashion, or not at all, hell. <br /><br />And should our "soul" remain in the hereafter, those persons thoughts and those persons who will here of us will be what gives our "soul" comfort or torment.<br /><br />I just can't relate to floating in the clouds of heaven nor stoking a furnace in hell.
 
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