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[Tinkerer]

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Originally posted by crab bait:<br /> yeah, but when do they get to the virgin monk part..??

On second thoughts, it's when they take the randy virgin apes to the martyrs' quaters and let 'em loose. There's a video of it called "Reamers and Screamers".

 

[Tinkerer]

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Originally posted by crab bait:<br /> yeah, but when do they get to the virgin monk part..??

On third thoughts it's actually covered in Robin Hood. There's this virgin monk called Friar Tuck. When Robin Hood and his Merry Men find out he's a virgin, they start chanting Friar Tuck Should Try A F...

 

[PW2]

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The problem, dear 12 footer, is when one leaps from the "belief" stage to what the "truth" is.<br /><br />One can have pretty much any belief they want to have, and I am all for it, for them at least.<br /><br />It changes when they somehow think they have found "the truth"--And of course by definition all others, if they don't agree, must be wrong.<br /><br />It is a personal thing. I know I specifically hope that no others believe as I do.

 

[rodbolt]

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well our god says thou shalt not kill. if you dont believe, I guess we will have to kill ya.<br /> see what I mean.

 

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> but do you worship a god that condememed millions of souls to hell cause they happened to be borm 20 thousand years or more before christianity? as religions go the christian cult is relativly new. and for centuries the catholics ran the brothels and made all the money. its all well documented. christianity has been mostly used as a tool to control the masses with ,I suspect, quite a bit "written in" to assist with it. I dont mind being a devout folower. just some people are rapid in the path and wont tolerate other views of the same god from a different hilltop.<br /> 12footer<br /> how many millions are going to heII just because they happened to be born years and centuries before christ? or are they like others are to you and not human either?

^<br />^<br />^<br />Total ignorance on display. If you knew anything at all about the subject, you'd not say such things.

 

[rodbolt]

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ok dogsdad<br /> enlighten a poor condemed one.

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> The problem, dear 12 footer, is when one leaps from the "belief" stage to what the "truth" is.

<br />There is a problem with that? If that were "true", we all search for "truth" thruoughout outr lives for absolutely no reason. I simply disagree with that entire premise.<br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /><br /><br />One can have pretty much any belief they want to have, and I am all for it, for them at least.<br />

<br />Sure ya do...You just got done stating the complete opposite!<br />You claim such beliefs based on preceived (or lept-to) "truth" is a "problem" to you.<br />It would help if you make up your mind.<br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /><br />It changes when they somehow think they have found "the truth"--And of course by definition all others, if they don't agree, must be wrong.

<br />Why is this wrong if I'm wrong? Why is it intollerable to you? I strongly believe my truth is truth, but why does that bother you? I'm not dissing anyone else's beliefs, incliding yours....However, as I stated before, I'm confused as to what they may be (not that I really care). But that is the subject of this thread.<br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /><br />It is a personal thing. I know I specifically hope that no others believe as I do.

Again, I'm confused. Are you trying to say you wwant to be the only one who believes as you do? Why would it upset you to find out someone else shares your beliefs? <br /><br />And as JB says:

Originally posted by JB:<br /> Maybe they are all correct, maybe they are all wrong. It doesn't matter.<br /><br />What matters is that almost all religions and denominations agree on how we should treat our fellow humans, though most don't follow their own advice.

What is wrong with that?

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> 12footer<br /> how many millions are going to heII just because they happened to be born years and centuries before christ? or are they like others are to you and not human either?

Why ask me? I have a belief, but it's just telling a story in itrself, that you single me out for my belief. NP with that, and I'm glad to express my faith, and thank you for your interest. I just think it's kind of transparent. <br />I'm not the judge of who goes to heaven or hell. And anyone that claims they are, is barking out of his other hole. Not to confuse, but sure--we've all done it with souls the likes of Hitler, J.Daehmer,T.Bundy, but that does'n't make it so, nor is there any way to find out.<br /><br />These souls you refer to before the death of God's son, in my bible, are also redeamed by his sacrifice, just as we are today. <br />In the old tesiment, God's people used to sacrifice a portion of the best they had, not to say, "here is my best. Take me to heaven", but to say, "because we love you this much". Today, some of us "tythe", but it's the same principle.<br /><br />I don't know how God will bring the souls back of those who have died , but then, I don't need to know. My belief that this will happen, is all I need to know. And that, Rodbolt, is the full definition of the word, faith. And it is a leap of faith to believe in what you cannot see with your eyes. But if you search your heart, many times you find the strength to jump. And often, even then, it's not easy to do.

 

[Koda]

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years ago while working on a line crew we had a young man go to a revieval and see the light so to speak and the next day he came to work with his bible in his hand talking to everyone about conversion, after several hours the old foreman led him to the crew cab on the line truck threw him in it and grabbed another lineman and told the young man he had thirty minutes to convert him then he would give him another one to convert,<br />it took a few minutes to sink in but the fellow got the message and cooled down a bit.

 

[mattttt25]

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i don't even know where that post came from. sitting around, wanted to write something. but it is something i've always thought about. it's not a question that can be answered by quoting the bible, that's for sure. if that's the case, you missed the point all together. you need to look beyond religion, beyond yourself to really answer it. 12 footer- we both know we don't see eye to eye on religion, but i thank your kind words and honest answer to my questions. that's what i was looking for- other's opinions on this.

 

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> ok dogsdad<br /> enlighten a poor condemed one.

Rodbolt, it would take me days to write what you could find out in a few hours if you would take the time to seek out a good Bible teacher to explain it to you---in person, face-to-face. And I sincerely hope you do it.

 

[PW2]

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12 footer--If you would keep your truth to yourself, I would have no problem with that.<br /> <br />The problem only arises when you, and others, attempt to impose your truth on me.

 

[JamesCoste]

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PW2,<br />I can't speak for 12 footer, but as one who is often accused of a similar "crime", I will try to do so anyhow.<br /><br />Why can't he share his opinion by declaring what he believes? How is he imposing "truth" to you or anybody else?<br /><br />He is not forcing anybody to believe anything. He is simply stating what he believes. It your choice to examine what he says and either reject it or accept it as truth. Don't deny him the same right as you have. Out of curiosity, what do you believe?<br /><br />To answer Matttt25's questions myself:<br /><br />How do I know my faith (Christian) is the correct "one"? Well, to be honest, I can't tell you other than I have a calm assurance that it is the right one. I didn't believe anything about the Bible until I was 15.<br /><br />What about all of the rapists, murderer's, etc? The fact is (when talking about Christianity), that not one person will go to heaven based on their own merit. You can't be good enough of a person to earn your way. The reason why is that to get to heaven, you must be perfect! Uh-oh, that poses a problem. The solution is that Christ Jesus lived a perfect life and paid for our "ticket" into heaven. Now here is the really "difficult" part - how do you get a ticket? To get a "ticket" you have to have faith.<br /><br />In order to have faith, well, that is a post for a later time if anybody is interested.

 

[Mark42]

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Did Neanderthals have souls? How about early homo erectus? <br /><br />Just a though.

 

[KaGee]

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Originally posted by crab bait:<br /> yeah, but when do they get to the virgin monk part..??

 

[dimelo]

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It's interesting how religious conversations always turn into Biblical discussions. <br /><br />However, not only is it interesting, but therein also lies the problem. In hard, scientific (or at least factual) terms, what makes the Bible more accurate than any other historical account written before or after it?<br /><br />Debating anything related to Christianity requires not only a solid belief of the Bible, but also an agreement as to which interpretation the debating parties will be using.<br /><br />For instance, if I posted a question asking what I would have to do to be saved, I would get 1000 different answers, each one being 'the only way' to the person posting it. <br /><br />On that note, how is one to know what is correct and what is not? Most Christians at this point resort to such intangibles as 'they feel right', or 'they just know'...but if we are made in God's image, as most believe, and we for the most part seek tangible answers, wouldn't God be understanding enough to provide them?<br /><br />I find personally that I feel secure knowing that yes, there is a God, and hopefully he understands that I would love to be on great terms with him, however, most of the concrete and tangible answers that I seek, I find within myself.

 

[Tinkerer]

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Originally posted by JamesCoste:<br /> PW2,<br />I can't speak for 12 footer, but as one who is often accused of a similar "crime", I will try to do so anyhow.<br /><br />Why can't he share his opinion by declaring what he believes? How is he imposing "truth" to you or anybody else?<br /><br />He is not forcing anybody to believe anything. He is simply stating what he believes. It your choice to examine what he says and either reject it or accept it as truth. Don't deny him the same right as you have.

Agreed.<br /><br />Emphatically.<br /><br />People are free to participate in or ignore this thread, unlike dealing with religious salespeople like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses who come to one's door. I think there ought to be game stamps issued for these unwanted visitors, valid if they don't leave the moment you say "I'm not interested.".<br /><br />James Coste and 12 Footer, and others who share their views, will never agree with me on the issues in this or similar threads, nor me with them, but I respect and defend their right to express their opinion in the same way that they allow me to express mine.

 

[Tinkerer]

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Originally posted by Dime Lo:<br /> It's interesting how religious conversations always turn into Biblical discussions. <br /><br />However, not only is it interesting, but therein also lies the problem. In hard, scientific (or at least factual) terms, what makes the Bible more accurate than any other historical account written before or after it?<br /><br />Debating anything related to Christianity requires not only a solid belief of the Bible, but also an agreement as to which interpretation the debating parties will be using.<br /><br />For instance, if I posted a question asking what I would have to do to be saved, I would get 1000 different answers, each one being 'the only way' to the person posting it. <br /><br />On that note, how is one to know what is correct and what is not? Most Christians at this point resort to such intangibles as 'they feel right', or 'they just know'...but if we are made in God's image, as most believe, and we for the most part seek tangible answers, wouldn't God be understanding enough to provide them?<br /><br />I find personally that I feel secure knowing that yes, there is a God, and hopefully he understands that I would love to be on great terms with him, however, most of the concrete and tangible answers that I seek, I find within myself.

Your very perceptive comments show the important distinction between tracts, religion and spirituality.<br /><br />The bible, talmud, koran, bhagavad vita and numerous other sources of belief are primary tracts. Anyone can read them and make of them what they wish. Later interpretations, such as the Christian interpretations of Cranmer or Calvin or Luther or a succession of Catholic popes with different views of the same text, can be accepted or not.<br /><br />Religions get hold of tracts and build their own interpretations on them, which invariably are presented to adherents as the one true path to salvation.<br /><br />Spirituality can exist with or without a tract or a religion. It is the notion of a connection with a god.<br /><br />If the tracts are correct (ignoring for the moment that there are so many which contradict each other), then people can come to whatever god the tract reveals by following the teachings in the book.<br /><br />If the tracts are wrong, then believers are in for a serious disappointment shortly after death.<br /><br />Nowhere in the tracts or in spirituality is there any mention of religions in anything like the form they have had in Christianity in the past thousand years or so.<br /><br />I wonder why it is that so many people over so many centuries have cleaved to so many religions in so many disputes, right up to the level of religious wars, in pursuit of what the tracts allegedly say when the spirituality which the tracts invariably recognise could exist quite satisfactorily without any conflict at all?<br /><br />If one lacks spirituality, all the church rituals in the world can't make up for that.<br /><br />Curious how the god botherers are preoccupied with the rituals of church services and prayer and ostentatious public displays of prayer and piety, when they wouldn't need any of it if they had a true spiritual connection to their god and were secure in that connection.

 

[crab bait]

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you can ride the subway to hell..<br /><br />>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br /><br />you can ride the soultrain to heaven..<br /><br /><br />move over cornelius,, JESUS come an stamp my 'ticket'..

 

[jtexas]

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yes, no, no, no, yes.<br /><br />worship is for the worshippers, not for God. <br /><br />God is God, for God's sake, do you really think there is even the slightest chance that He's going to send you to Hell for not using the right words, or touching your left shoulder before touching your head (like, confusing the sign for "bunt" with the sign for "hit & run")?<br /><br />You pick the style of worship that helps you get through the week without killing anybody.<br /><br />All religions that believe in a single omnipotent God are really about the same God and are right, all the others are wrong. But I could be mistaken, so don't quote me on that.