A subtle message from the NYT to Al Gore....

[KaGee]

SHUT UP!

Al's sensationalism is alarming... READ HERE

 

[Limited-Time]

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"Some backers concede minor inaccuracies but see them as reasonable for a politician".

Weather by Mr. Gore in his quest, or the president in his, "minor inaccuracies" should never be condoned as "reasonable." Mistakes or misinformation by people at that level with their resources is not justifiable.

 

[Boomyal]

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Natural cycle global warming simply does not dovetail with the Liberal's quest for power. The sooner this nation recognizes that fact the better off we will be. It would also help if our allies woke up and quit bowing at the feet of the control freaks!

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Algore is nuts! He invented the internet, and "Love Story" was about he n' Tipper, right? :}:} JR

 

[Coors]

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He said that after 30 years of trying to communicate the dangers of global warming, “I think that I’m finally getting a little better at it.” 30 years ago the scare was a new ice age.

 

[WillyBWright]

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Are you sure you aren't confused with Nuclear Winter? That's the aftermath of global nuclear war.

But I do seem to recall global chilling as the predicted result of continued industrial pollution. Particles in the air keeping the sun's rays from reaching the surface, not CO2 and other molecules trapping the heat. In the documentary it shows an ice core where you could see a dark line that coincided with our worst pollution. It became grayer and grayer until there was a pronounced dark line. Then it rather suddenly went to clean ice again. That line was roughly the early 1970s.

 

[QC]

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. . . Dr. Easterbrook . . . hotly disputed Mr. Gore’s claim that “our civilization has never experienced any environmental shift remotely similar to this”

Nonsense, Dr. Easterbrook . . . flashed a slide that showed temperature trends for . . . 15,000 years. It highlighted 10 large swings . . . These shifts, he said, were up to “20 times greater than the warming in the past century.”

“I’ve never been paid a nickel by an oil company,” Dr. Easterbrook told the group. “And I’m not a Republican.”

I think Standeezy said it best:

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Yup QC, Right on, right on, right on!! 8)8) JR

 

[Plainsman]

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Hmmm..seems somefolks have been saying this all along..Al pulled the wool over may eyes.

Dr Eastbrook also says we will have global cooling starting in 2010.

 

[ricksrster]

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Algore is nuts! He invented the internet, and "Love Story" was about he n' Tipper, right? :}:} JR

Jennifer dies in the movie. How can that possibly be about him and Tipper.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: A subtle message from the NYT to Al Gore....

Algore is nuts! He invented the internet, and "Love Story" was about he n' Tipper, right? :}:} JR

Jennifer dies in the movie. How can that possibly be about him and Tipper.

He's just plain NUTS: Rick. There is just no other way to 'splain ol' Algore. JR

 

[PW2]

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I'm sorry to break this to you all, but this debate is *NOT* about Al Gore. It is about science.

I've seen Gore's movie, and when he sticks to the science involved, and evidence compiled by the scientific community, it is pretty compelling stuff.
I will freely admit the parts of the movie that get emotional, or the 2000 election results are weak and out of place.

What I've seen of Eastbrook, his tends to be an attack on "Green" targets--who may be easy targets as well to demonize, but hardly compelling scientific arguments.

The earth's atmosphere is relatively thin and fragile--we have already seen what damage can be done in a short amount of time with CFC's to the ozone layer---it's hard to imagine that the vast amounts of carbon we are emitting, or the vast areas being deforested, are not having some effect.

Regardless whether or not you like Al Gore

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I'm sorry to break this to you all, but this debate is *NOT* about Al Gore. It is about science.

I've seen Gore's movie, and when he sticks to the science involved, and evidence compiled by the scientific community, it is pretty compelling stuff.
I will freely admit the parts of the movie that get emotional, or the 2000 election results are weak and out of place.

What I've seen of Eastbrook, his tends to be an attack on "Green" targets--who may be easy targets as well to demonize, but hardly compelling scientific arguments.

The earth's atmosphere is relatively thin and fragile--we have already seen what damage can be done in a short amount of time with CFC's to the ozone layer---it's hard to imagine that the vast amounts of carbon we are emitting, or the vast areas being deforested, are not having some effect.

Regardless whether or not you like Al Gore

[colour=green]OK PW2, You have a thoughtfull post here. Adjenda documentaries and jounalism just plain suck! ABC,BBC,CBS,NBC,CNN,NYT,WP all state the science as consensus which is a LIE, (and they know it), but their preachin' ta gullable Dems and Libs, and Cornservatives without the ol' brain cell, (at least one that works). The planet has been in a brief warming period, (brief if you think about 4.5 Billion years o' existance). We do not know enough about the biggest varable, (THE SUN), to have a conclusive point of view, (except for that adjenda). Europe hates us and would cripple us in a NY second, (so would the rest of the world and the chief NUT: Algore). BTW: You aren't a Kilborn are ya? PM me if yes. Thanks for your thoughtful post. JR[/colour]

 

[LubeDude]

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The earth's atmosphere is relatively thin and fragile--we have already seen what damage can be done in a short amount of time with CFC's to the ozone layer---

This also was a farce and cost the US Billions! Some people just want to beleive in gloom and doom!

 

[PW2]

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Thank you for your thorough and scientific responses.
I'll give them all the consideration they deserve.

And no, I am not a Kilborn

 

[QC]

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it's hard to imagine that the vast amounts of carbon we are emitting, or the vast areas being deforested, are not having some effect.

I think this is an extremely important observation. Yes it is VERY hard not to imagine a lot of things that could wipe us out. Those that can be supported with some compelling science are even scarier. Human nature allows for panic like this to sell. And I believe the sellers are generally honest with their predictions and concern. Confused about a lot of things, but I don't think they are "snake oil" salesman in the sense that they know it is BS . . . (you can make a very strong argument that the use of Katrina as evidence of GW is known BS)

I simply do not understand how, if the science is right (it has rarely been before), we can make any adjustment of any significance without population reduction. Now that's scary!! A cap with no GHG growth achieves almost nothing based on pretty much everything I have read. So what are we actually trying to do? Nothing? I must assume that for those who feverishly believe this that nothing is not acceptable, so they must imagine a serious net reduction. Based on their own "facts" the life cycle of what we have already put up there is, like, really long dude, and it is a vicious cycle, that spirals out of control. So what does even an absolute total reduction do? Sorry, now I am rambling, but, yes, imagination is a pretty powerful deal . . .

 

[OldMercsRule]

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it's hard to imagine that the vast amounts of carbon we are emitting, or the vast areas being deforested, are not having some effect.

I think this is an extremely important observation. Yes it is VERY hard not to imagine a lot of things that could wipe us out. Those that can be supported with some compelling science are even scarier. Human nature allows for panic like this to sell. And I believe the sellers are generally honest with their predictions and concern. Confused about a lot of things, but I don't think they are "snake oil" salesman in the sense that they know it is BS . . . (you can make a very strong argument that the use of Katrina as evidence of GW is known BS)

I simply do not understand how, if the science is right (it has rarely been before), we can make any adjustment of any significance without population reduction. Now that's scary!! A cap with no GHG growth achieves almost nothing based on pretty much everything I have read. So what are we actually trying to do? Nothing? I must assume that for those who feverishly believe this that nothing is not acceptable, so they must imagine a serious net reduction. Based on their own "facts" the life cycle of what we have already put up there is, like, really long dude, and it is a vicious cycle, that spirals out of control. So what does even an absolute total reduction do? Sorry, now I am rambling, but, yes, imagination is a pretty powerful deal . . .

That nails it QC, (IMHO). JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Thank you for your thorough and scientific responses.
I'll give them all the consideration they deserve.

And no, I am not a Kilborn

Ya know PW2 maybe ya should try ta get your hands on this if ya need some science ta put in the pipe with what ever else yer smokin'. 8):$

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/global_warming_swindle.html

 

[POINTER94]

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It's not about facts. Its about ratings, power over the masses and politics. Global warming is for a thinking person to reason themselves. The problem lies in when some use their OPINIONS as a mechanism to restrain the rights of others.

ALGORE set up his Kool-aid stand in the best market possible, hollywood. Not a bastion for the thinking man.