Adding brakes...

DVTO2

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I have a 21' Starcarft Chieftain on a trailer that came with no brakes. The trailer passed inspection but I am coming close to the 3000 lbs weight limit the state has and I am thinking brakes are probably a good idea - speak up if you think I don't need them. I found a place that will put on 4 hydrolic disc brakes, lines, etc for $900. This is going into salt water - is there anything special I should be looking for in a brake for this set up?
 

H20Rat

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Re: Adding brakes...

You don't NEED brakes on all four... Especially for a trailer that light, brakes on 2 would be fine (better than what you have now) and would save you some coin.
 

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If they are Tie-down engineering brand and designed for salt water, then it is the right thing.

You probably should ask and verify that the brake system is intended for longevity in salt water.

I have a disc brake set-up and it is going on 7 years with occaissional salt water launches. My prevuois experience with drum brakes was replacement every couple of years with salt water launches.

discs seem to be the better way to go.
 

bruceb58

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If they are Tie-down engineering brand and designed for salt water, then it is the right thing.
Major thumbs down on the Tie-Down Stainless disk brakes, I have 4 sets in my garage that I took off because they suck.

Kodiak disk brakes are the best.
 

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Re: Adding brakes...

You don't NEED brakes on all four... Especially for a trailer that light, brakes on 2 would be fine (better than what you have now) and would save you some coin.

I doubt you would save much over $200 by only doing 2 wheels, although if you launch on steep ramps and can keep the front axle out of the water it might save on maintenance. Are you adding brakes as a precaution just to make sure you are on the right side of the law or are you approaching the limits of your tow vehicle? If it's the latter, I'd get all 4.
 

DVTO2

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Re: Adding brakes...

This would include new hubs and bearings, which I am concerned about, so I think I am going to do all four.
 

Redneck_Randy

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Re: Adding brakes...

DVTO2,

Just curious. Did your axles already come with the mounting/backing plates for the brakes ?
 

Lakes84

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Re: Adding brakes...

I have tie-downs on all four of my trailer wheels, but not the stainless and they work as well as any other surge brakes I have ever used.

$900.00 is a good deal for the whole thing installed...real good deal. Mine cost 1000.00 before installation, which I did myself.

See you on the lake

Joe
 

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Re: Adding brakes...

If you have a backing plate with 4 holes, it is simple to install brakes. $900 is very high. I am buying a new AWD vehicle that requires trailer brakes on my trailer to meet their weight limit. I got a quote of $350 to have disc brakes installed with the boat on the trailer.
 

Lakes84

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If you have a backing plate with 4 holes, it is simple to install brakes. $900 is very high. I am buying a new AWD vehicle that requires trailer brakes on my trailer to meet their weight limit. I got a quote of $350 to have disc brakes installed with the boat on the trailer.

350.00 for one axle?.....do you already have a coupler? Make sure they are not dime store brakes....that is CHEAP!
 

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If you have tandem axles on the trailer it needs a surge brake system. Most states require surge brakes on trailers on at least one axle if total weight is 3000 lbs or greater including trailer, boat, fuel, and gear. You need to check with the local DMV website to see what is required. Loaded up up you are most likely over the 3000 lbs limit so why chance it.
 

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Re: Adding brakes...

I just installed Kodiak disc on one axle of my 21' Cheiftain boat. Kodiak cad plated with stainless calipers, I would use these again especially for saltwater use.
My cheiftain full of fuel, fishing gear, kids bikes weight is 4,100 lbs on the axles.
 

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DVT02. Check and see what your state brake requirments are. Some states require brakes on all axels if over a certian weight. Some states require brakes on one or two.
 

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DVT02 This is from the DEPT of motor vehicles as to trailer requir Brake Equipment - Any trailer with a GVWR of 3000 lbs. or more will be assumed as intended to carry such weight and therefore shall be equipped with a braking system operating on all wheels. The braking system shall be adequate to safely control movement of the trailer and, when set, to safely hold the trailer stationary. Electric or air brakes are required on all trailers over 8,000 lbs. GW and on any commercial trailer required to have brakes under FMCSR applicable when the Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) with the towing vehicle is 10,000 lbs. or more in interstate use and 18,001 lbs. or more in intrastate use. These braking systems must be operable at the driver?s seat of the towing vehicle by either hand or foot. Surge brakes are allowed as the trailer brakes on non-commercial trailers having a GW of 8,000 lbs. or less. Surge brakes may be allowed on commercial trailers having a GW of 8,000 lbs. or less only if not subject to the interstate and intrastate limits noted above. Any trailer with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or more and commercial trailers subject to the interstate and intrastate limits noted above will also require an emergency break-away device to set the trailer brakes upon separation from the towing vehicle. Have your rig weighed and go from there.

ments.
 

Reel Kahuna

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... I got a quote of $350 to have disc brakes installed with the boat on the trailer.

That has to be labor only. Cheapest disc assembly kit w/o hydraulic coupler I've found was $245 plus tax.
 

H20Rat

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DVT02 This is from the DEPT of motor vehicles as to trailer requir Brake Equipment - Any trailer with a GVWR of 3000 lbs. or more will be assumed as intended to carry such weight and therefore shall be equipped with a braking system operating on all wheels.

For your state... There is no federal brake requirement for non-commercial vehicles.
 

Thalasso

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smokingcrater. The post comes right from there web page as to state requirments, not from the Federal requirments.Commercial requirment has nothing to do with it. They say any trailer 3000lbs or more.Nowhere does it stipulate commercial as to this rule.
 

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Inspection of Trailers:
Camp, Commercial, Boat and Utility .Brake Equipment - Any trailer with a GVWR of 3000 lbs. or more will be assumed as intended to carry such weight and therefore shall be equipped with a braking system operating on all wheels.Pretty plain to me he needs brakes all axels.
 

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DVTO2 I guess you can go to DMV and verify this, or an inspection station.
 
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