?????????Al Gore????????????

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> Okay, jt, I'll concede the linkage between the words "traitor" and "treason." My use of the word "traitor" never was within the bounds of the strict definition, but was rather casual, but no matter...<br /><br />This country is at war, and Gore is out there hurting us---all for political gain. That makes him a traitor in my book.<br /><br />Excerpts from Black's Law Dictionary (Sixth Edition), under "treason":<br /><br />A breach of allegiance to one's government, usually committed through levying war against such government or by giving aid or comfort to the enemy.<br /><br />What Gore did was give aid and comfort to the enemy. And what is so further despicable about it all is that he did it for the purpose of undermining the President of the United States' foreign policy---for political gain. <br /><br />Gore is a traitor.
Assume this means that by "traitor" you mean "guilty of treason?" Just for clarity of communication.<br /><br /><br />
<br />AID AND COMFORT<br /><br />The constitution of the United States, art. 8, s. 3, declares, that adhering to the enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, shall be treason. These words, as they are to be understood in the constitution, have not received a full judicial construction. They import, however, help, support, assistance, countenance, encouragement. <br /><br />The word aid, which oocurs in the Stat. West. 1, c. 14, is explained by Lord Coke (2 just. 182) as comprehending all persons counselling, abetting, plotting, assenting, consenting, and encouraging to do the act, (and he adds, what is not applicable to the Crime to treason,) who are not present when the act is done, See, also, 1 Burn's Justice, 5, 6; 4 Bl. Com. 37, 38.<br /><br />Source: Bouvier 1856<br />
<br />ENEMY<br /><br />international law. By this term is understood the whole body of a nation at war with another. It also signifies a citizen or subject of such a nation, as when we say an alien enemy. In a still more extended sense, the word includes any of the subjects or citizens of a state in amity with the United States, who, have commenced, or have made preparations for commencing hostilities against the United States; and also the citizens or subjects of a state in amity with the United States, who are in the service of a state at war with them. Salk. 635; Bac. Ab. Treason, G.<br /><br />Source: Bouvier 1856<br /><br />
Can't find "aid and comfort" or "enemy" in Al's remarks. Of course, I'm no lawyer.
 

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quote by pw2"<br />Well, I'm not sure we should "harass" anyone, but we should know who we advance visas to, and why, and what status they are in. In this day and age of information technology, we should not need to rely on race or religion to decide where to start. Should we? "<br /><br /><br />Yeah, we should have race and religion play a role in deciding where to start.Are all muslims terrorists? No, but all terroists are muslim.(ok,99%)Sounds like a good place to start to me.If a 79 year old white lady in a wheel chair robs a bank, do we have the police look for an asian teenager in a chevy pickup?<br /><br /><br />As far as poor teatment of the muslims that have expired visas, SO WHAT? (edited to save the mods the trouble) If they are still alive after they leave wherever they are being held, thats good enough for me.As far as Im concerned, they are a GUEST of this country, and we have the right to kick their azz out any time we see fit,with no questions asked. They are our GUEST, and they better follow the LAW else we put em on a boat back to wherever they came from.<br /><br />Here is an example of why we SHOULD be looking at ethnic back grounds. An instructor at a local truck driving school, noticed that 26 out of 30 students had middle eastern names. In some areas of the country, thats not out of the ordinary. But in West Plains MO, something isnt right. You cant get much whiter than that town. <br />Read the story if you like.<br /> news story
 

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Originally posted by cpj:<br /><br />Yeah, we should have race and religion play a role in deciding where to start.Are all muslims terrorists? No, but all terroists are muslim.(ok,99%)<br />
Please cite your source for those statistics. If you just made it up, it's okay, just tell us.<br /><br />
Originally posted by cpj:<br /><br /><br />As far as poor teatment of the muslims that have expired visas, SO WHAT? (edited to save the mods the trouble) If they are still alive after they leave wherever they are being held, thats good enough for me.As far as Im concerned, they are a GUEST of this country, <br />
In that case, I respectfully decline in advance any invitation to be a guest in your home, in case you might have been thinking about extending one.<br /><br />
<br />Here is an example of why we SHOULD be looking at ethnic back grounds. An instructor at a local truck driving school, noticed that 26 out of 30 students had middle eastern names. In some areas of the country, thats not out of the ordinary. But in West Plains MO, something isnt right. You cant get much whiter than that town. <br />Read the story if you like.<br /> news story
FOR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T READ THE STORY: It's about a truck-driving school with some Middle-Eastern students. FBI investigated. FOUND NO TERRORISTS repeat FOUND NO TERRORISTS<br /><br />In fact, IT'S NOT A CRACKDOWN ON TERRORISM. It's a crackdown on UNDERQUALIFIED DRIVERS
 

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Quote"FOR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T READ THE STORY: It's about a truck-driving school with some Middle-Eastern students. FBI investigated. FOUND NO TERRORISTS repeat FOUND NO TERRORISTS<br /><br />In fact, IT'S NOT A CRACKDOWN ON TERRORISM. It's a crackdown on UNDERQUALIFIED DRIVERS"<br /><br />UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, the investigation is not over. :rolleyes: Overreaction to the whole thing? Maybe, but Ill take that risk thank you.<br />EDIT: this is a c&p from teh article:<br />" An FBI spokesman said Tuesday that he could not comment on the case. School officials know at least one of the investigators identified himself as being with the Joint Terrorism Task Force.<br /><br />Since the terrorists’ attacks in 2001, truck driver training schools, like flight schools, have undergone increased scrutiny by the FBI. The agency is worried that under-qualified drivers, some of them illegal immigrants, are slipping through the cracks. Even worse would be that drivers who aren't citizens and haven't passed a terror threat assessment could be hauling thousands of gallons of hazardous materials. The FBI looks at it as a terrorism threat."<br /><br /><br />You make the call.<br /><br /><br /> quote:"Please cite your source for those statistics. If you just made it up, it's okay, just tell us."<br /><br /><br />I believe that all the 911 highjackers were muslim , were they not? That part I belive to be fact, and belive the rest to be true, but I will just say that I made it up, thats how us right wingers do things you know. :rolleyes: <br /><br /><br /> quote:"In this case, I respectfully decline in advance any invitation to visit your home, in case you might have been thinking about extending one."<br /><br /><br />I wouldnt think of extending the offer, for you couldnt even open my door. Its swings to the right dont ya know. ;) :D
 

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> Heck no had a great fishing trip Sat. afternoon. Below a dam, took 2 striper and threw back about 10. Fish fry with neighbors all is well for me.
Texoma? Only place I can think of that might be releasing water around here. I've fished that tailrace once or twice but never managed to be there while they were generating. Take your boat? Where'd ya launch? Was it one of those airboat guides? <br /><br />Where's the pics?<br /><br />[note to cpj - thanks. It's just I got friends & neighbors who are Muslim who deserve to be treated with respect. It's really very sad to see them painted with that brush.]
 

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As much as I wish and hope a third party would become a major player, a "MichaelMoore"party with Al Gore as it's main candidate isn't what I had in mind. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br />Assume this means that by "traitor" you mean "guilty of treason?" Just for clarity of communication.<br /><br />Can't find "aid and comfort" or "enemy" in Al's remarks. Of course, I'm no lawyer.
Yes, in my opinion he is guilty of treason. I don't think it is necessary for his remarks to include the terms "aid and comfort" or "enemy" to qualify as treasonous.<br /><br />I'll clarify just a bit more...to me this is aid and comfort to the enemy because he knew full well that his remarks would be publicized throughout the Muslim world and that they only serve to undermine the President's foreign policy and the nation's security---both of which I remind you are his (the President's) Constitutional turf.<br /><br />I will end my participation in this thread with one statement: whether or not I think Gore is guilty of treason is as of little consequence as anyone else's opinion here, but I don't think it's going too far to say that his remarks were DEFINITELY despicable and traitorous in nature, and that his motive is political gain, and that his words are damaging to our security and put more American lives at risk.<br /><br />With that, adios!
 

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> Yes, in my opinion he is guilty of treason. I don't think it is necessary for his remarks to include the terms "aid and comfort" or "enemy" to qualify as treasonous.<br /><br />
Well...DUH! I'm looking for actual aid and/or actual comfort not the words. And I'm looking for the enemy which was aided and/or comforted, not the word. Sorry, didn't mean to be so vague.<br /><br />
<br />I'll clarify just a bit more...to me this is aid and comfort to the enemy because he knew full well that his remarks would be publicized throughout the Muslim world and that they only serve to undermine the President's foreign policy and the nation's security---both of which I remind you are his (the President's) Constitutional turf.<br /><br />I will end my participation in this thread with one statement: whether or not I think Gore is guilty of treason is as of little consequence as anyone else's opinion here, but I don't think it's going too far to say that his remarks were DEFINITELY despicable and traitorous in nature, and that his motive is political gain, and that his words are damaging to our security and put more American lives at risk.<br /><br />With that, adios!
Speak out against the government is treason. That would be Sadam Hussein's America. Thank God we live in George Bush's America.
 

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> Well...DUH! I'm looking for actual aid and/or actual comfort not the words. And I'm looking for the enemy which was aided and/or comforted, not the word. Sorry, didn't mean to be so vague.
Well...DUH! Ya know those bad guys who keep on trying to blow things up and kill women and children in that place called Iraq? And that bad man Osama and his friends? <br /><br />DUH, indeed!<br /><br />I am through wasting my time with this thread, explaining things to someone who pretends not to understand.<br /><br />Adios...y ciera la voca para no entrar una mosca.
 

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br />Adios...y ciera la voca para no entrar una mosca.
Uhhh... Do you have a green card? Are you here legally?
 

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Okay, I understand...the enemy is (collectively) Terrorists. Anyone who speaks publicly, or for that matter posts on a message board, or writes a blog, knows that his words may be heard by terrorists. If the words are critical of the war effort, then some terrorist somewhere might be comforted by the thought. If the terrorist believes that the speaker/writer/publisher has some influence with the American public, it's even more likely to provide comfort. Comfort being "undermine the Presidents foreign policy and national security." Regardless of whether Mr. Gore's actions rose to the level of actual "treason", he's a traitor for what he did, in principle if not in law.<br /><br />For me to say "the war sucks" on iboats dockside chat isn't treason because even on the off-chance that some random boating terrorist finds it, he'll never believe that I have enough influence to sway public opinion. But an ex-vice-president does, or more importantly, you can reasonably assume your average non-U.S. citizen would believe he does, and even more so when speaking abroad, and yet more when in the middle east. So you would think he would have enough sense of patriotic duty to refrain from those activities.<br /><br />Not unreasonable...but hey, I got ya back in here after your first adios...surely I get points for that? :)
 
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