alternator?

xjcj3a

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i have either an 80 or an 81 35 hp johnson short shaft. im wondering if it has an alternator or not. where would it be located and whats it look like?
 

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Re: alternator?

If the engine has an alternator (under the flywheel), the engine will also have a rectifier to convert AC from the alternator to DC in order to charge the battery. See the following.

(Small Rectifier Description & Location)
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On most 2,3,4,6 cylinder engines, the small rectifier is located on the starboard (right) side of the engine just in front of the engines electrical wiring strip. There are a few older V4 engines that have the wiring strip on the rear portion of the engine and the rectifier would be located just under that terminal strip. The smaller horsepower engines usually have the rectifier located on the starboard side of the powerhead close to the carburetor area.

The rectifier appears to be a round object approximately one inch (1") in diameter and also about one inch (1") high. The base of it is sort of triangular in appearance and is attached to the engine with two (2) screws/bolts..... usually one screw/bolt is larger than the other. The rectifier, depending on which one your engine uses, will have either:

One Red wire, one Yellow wire, and one Yellow/Gray wire, or One Red wire, and two Yellow wires.

Note that either of the above rectifiers could have a fourth wire which would be Yellow/Blue

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(Small Rectifier Test)
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Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.
 

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Re: alternator?

i think i may have found what you describe, gonna post pictures.
 

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Joe Reeves

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Re: alternator?

Pictures arer to big to view properly but I see the RED and the YELLOW wires that ID the rectifier so I would say that your engine does have a charging system.
 

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Re: alternator?

sorry about that, i scaled them down. my next question would be, how hard would it be to install a battery meter of some kind? and if so, what kind?




do i need to install a fuse panel to run say a radio,depth finder, and lights?
 

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Re: alternator?

That looks more like a distribution block than anything else to me... but either way it does indicate a charging system on your engine.
 

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Re: alternator?

It looks like the rectifier is behind the wires. They saved space by mounting it flange-out on that one.
 

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Re: alternator?

Yes, that's a rectifier. If the charging system turns out to be inoperative, test the rectifier as I instructed above.

It's a good idea to have a fuse panel for accessories to avoid a voltage draw elsewhere, shorts, etc.
 

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Re: alternator?

can you point me in the direction of a boat fuse panel? preferable a kind of not expensive one. thanks for all the help.
 

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i dont have an ohm meter, if i was to say start the motor, disconnect it from the battery. then hook up a d/c voltmeter to the motor battery lines. if it gave me any kind of reading, would that show me its charging?
 

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Re: alternator?

You could probably see it by connecting your volt meter to the battery, if the voltage increases when the engine is running that would indicate it working.
 

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Re: alternator?

If you're going to be working on your own engine from time to time, do yourself a favor and purchase a ohm/volt meter.

The needle type meters, which I prefer, are very reasonable and will save you much frustration. Outboard trouble shooting requires this instrument.
 

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alright new question, to wire in an amp guage. i run one wire from the positive side of the battery to the guage, then another wire to the rectifier. would i connect it to the red wire on the rectifier? or am i way off base on all of this?

and there are actually 4 wires coming out of the rectifier. 1 red 1 yellow and 2 yellow/gray.

model number for the motor is j35ec16 the 1 could be an I
 

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Re: alternator?

It would be easier and safer to have the ampmeter connected to the positive battery terminal and thr "B" (battery) terminal of the ignition switch. You simply want the meter to register the current that flowing thru that line.
 

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so run it to the positive side of the battery and the battery input on the ignition switch?
 

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im at my wits end with this thing, i hooked it up to the B, and the meter went no where. hooked it up to the C meter went no where. now the thing wont even engage the starter.

shouldnt the amp meter be grounded to something?
 

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Re: alternator?

What is a "C" Meter? Sounds like you touched ground with the wire that was attached to the positive battery terminal. Check the power (20 amp) fuse that you'll find just a short distance from the starter solenoid in one of the smaller RED wires.

Do not ground the amp meter. Having raw voltage flowing thru that meter to ground will fry and cook it quickly.

To give you an example of how the meter works..... I have a test meter that simply has a "U" channel on the back of it. With the engine running, all I need to do is lay that "U" channel over the battery's positive lead and it will register the charging or discharge rate. By running a wire from the positive battery terminal to the meter, then from the meter to the "B" (battery) terminal of the ignition switch, you're basically doing the same thing.

If any member has a simpler method to install a ammeter, I'm sure they'll be along shortly.
 

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Re: alternator?

heres a picture of the ignition think its hooked up right?
 

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