Am I missing something here?

ErikDC

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Re: Am I missing something here?

CJY, I think you might have missed Merc's sig. I suggest that you take a look.
 

CJY

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Re: Am I missing something here?

Erik,<br /><br />I'm not sure what it is you believe I missed.<br /><br />Alden,<br /><br /> No troll, just making a point. As I read DJ's post, I read that we American's are feminine appeasing wimps with no will to be free. I took exception to it. If you agree with his assessment, so be it. I do not however, and was willing to make it known. I also tend to believe this is a more than not conservative forum, which is ok, I again used this info to make another point. Point being, there are other views. I again was willing to express another view rather than jumping on the over-crowded boat.
 

ErikDC

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CJY, you mentioned that Merc was posting from the safety of his home. I was only pointing out that he is "Active" status. He could be called up at any time.
 

alden135

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Re: Am I missing something here?

Originally posted by CJY:<br /> Erik,<br /><br />I'm not sure what it is you believe I missed.<br /><br />Alden,<br /><br /> I also tend to believe this is a more than not conservative forum,
Rest assured that this forum is split pretty evenly between the "I know better than you" flaming liberals, and the "I want to starve your grandma and take little Johnny's school lunch away" conservatives. <br /><br />By the way, in support of DJ's view, my son took a field trip to the local university last year (8th grade). Rather than a tour of the campus and some career guidance, they spent most of the trip in a lecture. The (female) professor gave a heated lecture on why giving little girls dolls as gifts was wrong and sexist.
 

JB

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What DJ said is aimed at popular American culture, not at individuals.<br /><br />Popular American culture is mainly shaped by the media, in what they choose to trumpet about and what they choose to ignore. It is too bad it isn't influenced enough by history.<br /><br />Example: Today all three major networks, CNN, Fox and even PBS gave major news story status to that misguided woman who has the idea that immediate removal of our troops from Iraq would just solve everything and is camped out near the Texas White House. They also quoted surveys that show Americans not approving of the President's handling of the war.<br /><br />That's what DJ is talking about. We are at war, but most Americans don't seem to understand what being at war is. Some must die? Oh my goodness, we have to get out now. :eek: <br /><br />My generation and my parents' generation are disgusted. Is this the country that our fathers, brothers, uncles and other loved companions died for? Not by a dam site it isn't.
 

tommays

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i feel were fighting a REAL war with and enemy who has no country <br /><br />when this thing in iraq finished and they are a free and secure country they will just pop up some were else like the cockroaches they are <br /><br /><br />it will be good to see them free BUT will it really slow down Terrorism i dont no ?<br /><br />finding and killing them in a fast QUIET hit and run were ever they are seems more effective because i still cant realy see why we let Momar Kadafi live as there is no question of his guilt and involvement State-Sponsored Terrorism<br /><br />tommays
 

CJY

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I hear you JB, but she is acting on emotion, and understandably so. <br /><br />I believe we would be getting out sooner if politicians had their own blood in combat.<br /><br />I think that many of the people that are not in favor, are just that because we see no results, or at least not positive results. A result of the media, maybe so. The Pres says we are achieving the goals, but what are they and how are they being achieved? I also believe there is a large group that believe we were led into war for reasons other than those stated. I believe we have reason to be there, but all these questions are ones that bother me and many others.<br /><br />I guess I take exception to DJ's comments because I am not as he has described. I am very passionate about our freedoms and the people giving their lives for them. I am also passionate about why our country may be screwed up, and it is not just libs that are screwing it up. Cons. have a big hand in it also. <br /><br />alden, <br /><br />right or wrong - who knows??? The Gov knows best, right. My example: University of Colorado professor, Ward Churchill spoke his mind on his 9/11 views and the Governor of Colorado, Bill Owens called for and pressured the university for his firing. He has threatened taking away gov. money from the University. <br /><br />DJ does not like that we are feminine appeasing wimps with no will to be free. Well, Bill Owens is a Republican. Bill Owens is one of the Rep's wishing to take away our right to speak out and show that at least some of us are not as DJ chose to describe. I don't believe DJ and I have ever stood on the same side of the fence, at least politically. Reason being, his finger is always pointed toward libs as causing our problems. Gov. Bill Owens is a Republican attempting to cause us to become as DJ has chosen to describe us. <br /><br />My point being, you cannot have us all follow the conservatives view of status quo without being feminine appeasing wimps with no will to be free. This was my reason for the statement, "take a look in the mirror."<br /><br />Note: I do not support the ideas behind Churchill's lecture, only his right to say it.<br /><br />DJ, if you are not a conservative, then I apologize for my mistake. I believe DJ and I are equally passionate about our views and I catch the crap for mine because I am the minority on this site. Think about it, how would you react to me if I said you are feminine appeasing wimps with no will to be free. I believe the reaction would be much different.
 

POINTER94

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Actually what is being said here is absolutely correct. Lets take a look at society today vs. 30 years ago. With the feminist manifesto in place we now have:<br /><br />Literacy rates that boarder on unbelievable but kids who can apply a condom to virtually any household vegetable. cool.........<br /><br />High school dropout rates that boggle the mind.<br /><br />Viewing of porn skyrocketing but nice clean tool calendars.<br /><br />No fighting anywhere but gang violence through the roof. But having fathers in place wouldn't have helped at all. Heck they are just the sperm doners anywhy, they don't do anything a woman can't do.<br /><br />Rule number one soldiers die, rule number two you can't change rule number one. So if a soldier dies we should just give up. 1800 people is a lot of men and women to die, (primarily men) but in the grand scheme of things it is nothing. Compared to 9/11 it is less than half the civilians slaughtered. It is less than the murder rate in California. No fathers needed.<br /><br />Fathers gone, spankings replaced with social workers and law suits, 14 year olds are sex symbols, a childs energy overcome with riddelin, punishment replaced with therapy, scoldings replaced with timeouts, team sports and training replaced with skateboarding (not in and of itself bad just symptomatic), drug use and drinking condoned by parents, making out replaced by rainbow parties (please don't ask me to explain, just ask your kids), No keeping score at sports cuz "nobody should lose", helmets for everything, hard grades replaced with social promotion and self esteem, sucess replaced by celebrity, work replaced by entitlements.<br /><br />Freedom isn't free, it is paid for in lives. Each one is priceless, each one a downpayment on the lives of hundreds of civilians. Think of the battles that didn't take place because it wouldn't play on TV even if it would save lives in the long run. Military stategy rewritten to meet civilian sensibilities. War has its own set of rules. Rewriting history to make the H-bomb decision a bad one. Rewarding cowardise with celebrity to forward an agenda. Try bombing civilian infastructure to demoralize a population today. Dan Rather would have a stroke.<br /><br />We lost Vietnam when we began having to see the realities of war from a civilian perspective in almost real time. War is hell, it is to be avoided, but when implemented it should be left to its own devices and not held to the standard of how the media thinks the termostat at Gitmo should be used. <br /><br />TV that would benefit america today: The Walton's but they have that strong father figure darn.<br /><br />Ward Churchill recently said it is just fine to shoot a superior officer if you don't like the war. Every American has a right to free speech, they are not entitled to be supported or compensated for treason by the government he so detests. If he was true to his convictions he would not accept government money but we all know he is a lying hypocrit. Wonder what would happen if a student nationally stated it would be ok to frag a professor for not giving only A's or teaching liberalism. Its an idea whose time has come. FYI subversion of the government is one of the exceptions to tenure and one can, and in this case should be fired. This is NOT a freedom of speech issue.
 

kenimpzoom

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Re: Am I missing something here?

It called the pu$$yfication of America. Not the vulgar definition of pu$$y, but as defined by the example "pu$$y foot around the problem".<br /><br />Nobody has the guts to stand up for something cause nobody respects those with guts. Most people now days just want to be patted on the head and are told everything is fine.<br /><br />Ken
 

CJY

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He did not undermine, destroy or corrupt. He gave an opinion. As far as I know, he did not encourage others to do these things. I do not agree pointer, that he has done anything wrong except state an unfavorable opinion as distatsteful as it is/was.<br /><br />I am sure many biologist believe stem cell research is good, and may even state it in their lecture halls. Even though it is illegal, these bio profs have done nothing wrong. Its an opinion. I thought this was one of the wonderful things our servicemen are fighting for.
 

POINTER94

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Got alot of professors idenifying folks as mud people or Ni&^%$%. How many minutes would his employment last tenure or not? But identify those white, upper, and upper middle class people with Nazi's; well heck that's just freedom of speech. This is an instructor. An instructor of youth. But he is the type every father wants his children to learn from and the type everyone wants to support with their tax dollars? Right. Please. We are not asking for him to be jailed, just not supported with our tax dollars for his racial hate speech. If I said what he did at work I would be fired. Liberals said that Trent Lott couldn't comfort an old man with words, and went on their little poltical witchhunt. Where is the freedom of speech issue there. Lott by definition is a politician and therefor what he says is political speech. I would be very surprised if you could find one vet of WWII who fought for this clown to speak of his country and it's soldiers like he has with such HATE and VENOM.<br /><br />FYI, he did with his words was provide aid and comfort to the enemy.<br /><br /><br />Quote:<br /><br />For those of you who do, as a matter of principle, oppose war in any form, the idea of supporting a conscientious objector who's already been inducted and in his combat service in Iraq might have a certain appeal. But let me ask you this: would you render the same support to someone who hadn't conscientiously objected, but rather instead rolled a grenade under their line officer in order to neutralize the combat capacity of their unit? Conscientious objection removes a given piece of cannon fodder from the fray. Fragging an officer has a much more impactful effect.<br /><br />What a charming role model.
 

Scaaty

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Re: Am I missing something here?

Kid here just got 3 days community service from a court........guilty. Reason. Well, he was only 13, but he gave another kid in the lunchroom line a "titty twister"........asinine parents sued...should slap that laywer and judge silly, just after knocking out the stupid parents
 

lark2004

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A "titty Twister"? Is that like a "nipple gripple", where you pinch someones nipple between two knuckels and twist? Cause that's a school yard pass time here in Australia! (note, school yard also includes workshop lunchrooms, stadiums, and just about anywhere you feel like trying to see how quick you can duck a felt hook!)
 

Ron G

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Yep thats a titty twister,If there are good musleams why dont we hold them accountable for there on people and beliefs and if they dont turn over the names of the bad ones then they are bad and shouuld be delt with the same!When christians or other religious groups have groups break away and devasting damage they disowned and chastized them,I think this micrwave generation want it now people dont understand cahange takes time it took us 15 years to do it here and everbody was of basiclly the same culture over there its a mixed bag so its going to take time and until then we have to keep the peace,and do everthing in our power to keep us safe.and yes the american people need to reunite i think they should show the world tradetowers coming down ever night on tv so people cant forget..Thanks merc and alden and all the other vets out there.my 2 cents
 

Mark42

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The problem with "Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40" is that they have too much time on their hands. I can guarantee an end to all their terrorist activities if we do the following:<br /><br />1) Give each any every one a house with huge mortage that needs major repairs. Include a large yard and small push mower. <br /><br />2) A wife and three kids.<br /><br />3) A job that pays barely enough to cover their expenses and no health care.<br /><br />4) A boat that needs new stringers, floor, transom and motor rebuild. The trailer should be a piece of crap too.<br /><br />That will keep them busy.<br /><br />When was the last time you saw someone with a family, house and boat running around blowing stuff up?
 

kenimpzoom

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LOL at Mark 42.<br /><br />But you are correct, the only reason these idiots are fighting is cause they are bored.<br /><br />I still, for the life of me, cant understand what we did to them.<br /><br />Ken
 

sid the squid

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I say we turn them all into maryters.Then they can all hang out with allah, and we can get back to important matters,like finding time to fish.
 

tony779

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CJY,<br />I have 5 deployments in this war so far and another coming up shortly. I have friends who have died in this war. What have you ever sacrificed for your country? Like I said, put up or shut up.
 

CJY

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Merc,<br /><br />Your statement being true, then how do you agree to being called a feminine appeasing wimp with no will to be free? Why do you take exception to me disliking being called this? As I said in an earlier post, if you agree to being called it, so be it. Don't tell me that I have to like being called it.<br /><br />Truth told, we both sit here alive and well. Our friends that have made the ultimate sacrifice is just that. It is their bravery, their dedication, their willingness to die because they do not believe as DJ does. I will not attempt to parade their sacrifice around as though it were my own. You have no idea who or what I am. I have done nothing I need to speak of or recieve a "pat on the back" for. Don't pretend that your friend's sacrifice is that of your own. We are both lucky to be home safe.
 
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