Another example of ALmedia propaganda gone wrong

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Re: Another example of ALmedia propaganda gone wrong

WOW, these are real main stream news organizations:

www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3147

Here's a list of some based in the UK:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_publications_in_the_United_Kingdom

What about the NYT, LAT, ABC, CBS, NBS. MSNBC, HNN...don't see it there..Hmmmmmm
 

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eepks said:
WOW, these are real main stream news organizations:

www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3147

Here's a list of some based in the UK:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_publications_in_the_United_Kingdom

What about the NYT, LAT, ABC, CBS, NBS. MSNBC, HNN...don't see it there..Hmmmmmm

He didn't ask for the left wing ones...duh.
 

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Re: Another example of ALmedia propaganda gone wrong

I can't say that I've ever read any *right* leaning pieces in major publications.
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He said right leaning pieces in "Major" "Publications" you provided a link to some right leaning "groups" none of which would constitute a major publication. Most of which wouldn't even be considered major groups as I haven't heard of many any of them.

Again, it is the news departments responsibility to verify the sources of the information. It is funny how bloggers picked up on the forgery/doctored photo almost right away. If you don't believe me, contact Dan Rather, or the New York Times, or Michael Isakof. Reporting the truth is critical. Failing to do their job correctly can lead to dire consequences and even death. Remember reporters are not suppose to care who wins or looks good or bad, unless of course they are lowsy reporters.
 

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Re: Another example of ALmedia propaganda gone wrong

Quote pointer

treedancer,
What does this have to do with the fact Reuters didn't check their facts, used what appears to be an unreliable source, and has perhaps done so in the past, and because of this may have enflamed a condition that could result in the loss of life


It has nothing to do about Reuters checking their facts; it was in response to KaGees quote that stated

Certain folks will now say that GWB manipulated the retraction of the manipulated photos and reports.

To me it looked like he was trying to say everything that comes out of any media that he does not agree with is suspect.
What Reuters did, in my opinion is worth getting fired and maybe taking a job with the American Spectator, or some other rag.

Another point that I was trying to get across is the fact that the current occupants of the White House, and their cronies manipulate the media on a regular basis. They manipulated us into the war that you say we are fanning the flames in.

Quote pointer
GW has nothing to do with this, nor does Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy or anyone else in our country


I have to agree with most of the above statements, with the exception that GW has no responsibility; if it weren’t for his ineptitude we would not be having these problems in the first place.
 

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Re: Another example of ALmedia propaganda gone wrong

They showed the doctored and undoctored photo on MSNBC tonite. You'd have to be an art critic to tell them apart They showed effectively the same thing.

It is the usual, much ado about nothing, attention diverting trick of the right to attempt to avoid dealing with reality.
 

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Then why did they fire the photographer? Much to do about nothing and they fired the guy? They are either a gutless organization scapegoating this guy or you are perhaps not seeing the same photos others have.

Either way it doesn't show Reuters to be a really professional organization. And since news is about accuracy, why don't they explain their decision.
 

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Treedancer, so it is GW's fault that hesbola started lobbing missiles into Isreal? It's GW's fault that land for peace was a loser plan but one some would like to still consider. Is it GW's fault that Isreal has the guts to live up to their committments to their soldiers? Is it GW's fault that terrorists hide among civilians? Is it GW's fault the UN is a paper tiger and a corrupt one at that?

How is it that some want us to get out of other nations affairs then conveniently do a 180 when he actually does what they ask?
 

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POINTER94 said:
I can't say that I've ever read any *right* leaning pieces in major publications.
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He said right leaning pieces in "Major" "Publications" you provided a link to some right leaning "groups" none of which would constitute a major publication. Most of which wouldn't even be considered major groups as I haven't heard of many any of them.
I agree. However, they were the most "major" groups who publish that I could find. It's not my fault if their readership base is small when compared to the NYT.

LFK said:
Um...any and all things published by Fox News, The White House, and Christian fundamentalists.
These I am sure you have heard of, and they are fairly major, or at least known to the mainstream public.

It's all biased, and it should be illegal to purposfully misrepresent, photshop, or otherwise eidt newsworthy events to fit a desired spin if they are being reported as news.
 

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Where is the new argument? Most of you have said the media is a biased, headline seeking bunch of liars in the past. You are not saying anything different today.

Ok, we have a photographer that has doctored a photograph to fit his agenda...dispicable! He should be, and has been suspended/fired. Not many are arguing this.

The media has not doctored the number of dead Americans since this war began. This doctored photo does not mean American soldiers did not die today. This doctored photo does not prove Hussien had WMD. This photo does not prove we are accomplishing W's stated agenda. This photo does not over estimate the real possibility of an Iraqi civil war, with us caught in the middle. This photo does not mean there is a plan to accomplish W's objectives. This photo does not prove democracy is spreading in the middle east. This photo only means we have a crooked reporter that is willing to lie to advance his own agenda. Hmmm, I think he could be President.

Fingers can be pointed away from the problem all you would like. This photo does not change any of the facts.

My question, what is the big issue? It's not like he doctored CIA reports that took us into this war in the first place.


PW, they would not use that old attention diversion tactic....would they? Maybe this time, while our attention is diverted, they will secretly get something accomplished. Nah, it's easier to just talk about it, and then blame their failures on a crooked photographer. Last month it was the NYT's fault, now Reuters.


What are the Vegas odds-makers saying about next month? 2:1 on the AP? They should have left Geraldo over there. What a scapegoat he would have made. Boy, they screwed this up forward and backward.
 

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Quote Pointer.
Treedancer, so it is GW's fault that hesbola started lobbing missiles into Isreal? It's GW's fault that land for peace was a loser plan but one some would like to still consider. Is it GW's fault that Isreal has the guts to live up to their committments to their soldiers? Is it GW's fault that terrorists hide among civilians? Is it GW's fault the UN is a paper tiger and a corrupt one at that?
How is it that some want us to get out of other nations affairs then conveniently do a 180 when he actually does what they ask?

In regards to the first question, I will try to keep it somewhat on the media track in order try to keep the thread from being locked.
Question one..
Maybe the leader of Iran noticed while viewing aljjezeera, that the United States was rather preoccupied with Iraq and had a eureka moment and thought that this would be a good time to start trying to establish his influence in the middle east. In cohorts with his good bud in Syria he established a good supply line to his proxy army hesblola
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Question two.
Now maybe in some old files of the aljjezeers archives there is this little tale in keeping with the media link of this thread.

Israeli invaded Lebanon and kicked the PLO forces from Beirut; President Reagan used the announcement of this event on Sept. 1, 1982, to address the nation on the subject of the West Bank and the Palestinians. He stated clearly that "the Camp David agreement remains the foundation of our policy," and his speech included the following declarations:

The Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza will have full autonomy over their own affairs."

The United States will not support the use of any additional land for the purpose of settlements during the transition period. Indeed, the immediate adoption of a settlement freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel and only diminishes the confidence of the Arabs that a final outcome can be freely and fairly negotiated.”


Answer no, I guess there is plenty of blame to go around.

Answer to question numbers three thru five.
Sorry have to skip those questions, having a hard time figuring how to link those with the media link that is holding this thread together, have to stay the course to keep it from being locked.

Question six. Haven’t a clue. If you want me to answer that one will have to start another thread I guess. Need more info on what your talking about, you know us truck drivers are rather dense.
 

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Quote Treedancer,

He said right leaning pieces in "Major" "Publications" you provided a link to some right leaning "groups" none of which would constitute a major publication. Most of which wouldn't even be considered major groups as I haven't heard of many any of them.

I agree. However, they were the most "major" groups who publish that I could find. It's not my fault if their readership base is small when compared to the NYT.
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Why post as if you were answering his question while really not answering it at all. What exactly was the point of your post? Share some group names? I guess we have to conclude that you have no examples of "Major" publications slanting right? No CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, NYT, LAT, Newsweek, Time, US News, AP, Chicago Trib, USA Today, .....any at all? I mean that was his point. Not one example of the mainstream press fabricating evidence in favor of the right, while Isakoff scrapes the blood off his hands. But hey, whats a few dead when it gets in the way of a great fairy tale? Especially when it casts our military or our president in a negative light. Come on, I keep hearing about the balanced nature of the MSM, there should be dozens of examples. Or then again maybe not. That is the reason for the thread. Pointing out ongoing left leaning bias, without regard for the consequences.

Remember they are not suppose to care who wins, unless the US is involved. And then it usually isn't the US they are pulling for. They are to report facts not create or fabricate them. The point was made that this type of "journalism" won't change the number of American dead, but it seems it can change the number of Palistinian dead. Facts, they are so hard to find when they are more interested in hearing themselves and furthering an agenda than doing their job. And that is the point of this thread.


Quote,

In regards to the first question, I will try to keep it somewhat on the media track in order try to keep the thread from being locked.
Question one..
Maybe the leader of Iran noticed while viewing aljjezeera, that the United States was rather preoccupied with Iraq and had a eureka moment and thought that this would be a good time to start trying to establish his influence in the middle east. In cohorts with his good bud in Syria he established a good supply line to his proxy army hesblola
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You are a reporter aren't you? With Reuters perhaps?8) When is the MSM going to open up a fiction section in their papers so their stories can be correctly categorized.
 

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POINTER94 said:
Why post as if you were answering his question while really not answering it at all. What exactly was the point of your post? Share some group names? I guess we have to conclude that you have no examples of "Major" publications slanting right?
I don't know if it's the glasses you wear or the punch you drank, but either you need to take some reading for understanding classes, or you just refuse to see the major pIayers in the list I posted. Perhaps your definition of "major" only includes Liberal publications? I consider both the Fox News Network and The White House to be "major" when it comes to publishing. Especially the later, since the pieces that come out of The White House are read, analyzed, critiqued, and implemented by more people than the NYT pulls in on any given day. Don't listen to me (or anyone else you disagree with), Google is your friend. Try a little search for White House Publication, and see if you recognize some of the releases. Opps...take off your glasses and flush the party-punch out of your system first, or it won't do any good. ;)
 

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Re: Another example of ALmedia propaganda gone wrong

POINTER94 said:
Then why did they fire the photographer? Much to do about nothing and they fired the guy? They are either a gutless organization scapegoating this guy or you are perhaps not seeing the same photos others have.

Either way it doesn't show Reuters to be a really professional organization. And since news is about accuracy, why don't they explain their decision.

You truly baffle me, pointer. It is, in fact, much ado about nothing. The two photos side by side were basically the same, and did not give a different "take" on the event at all.

Reuters fired him because he doctored it. It is what they should do. Motive or effect does not enter into it. He did it. He got fired. End of story. It is called professional journalism, and you simply don't do it whatever your reason.

The journalistic right may well not understand this concept of journalistic standards.
 

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Pointer is the only one that gets it. LFK , I think I know what you are saying but maybe you had the kool aid. I have never in my life sat down over coffee with a White House press release or a Christian publication. I have with a number of *left* leaning papers and watched the morning news on all of the previously mentioned net works. When I say *Major* that is what I am talking about. Fox does have some *right* leaning reporters so I stand corrected on that however they have *left* leaning comentators also. Over all when you look at the drive by media and the *major* net works they are much more to the *left* than they are to the *center*.
 

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its a REALLY bad thing but the changes seem minor when you look at them


Tommays
 

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tommays said:
its a REALLY bad thing but the changes seem minor when you look at them

Tommays

So it really a bad thing but it's a good thing?
Well alrighty then.
Here is the hesbo equivalent of a "slum lord" (or something to that effect) See, she's heart broken, but she is happy to play the part...(or something to that effect).
When are you going to catch yourself drinking the hesbo koolaid?
Yeah I know, i know -- You hate Bush, so it's a good bad thing (or something to the that effect).




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