Anyone ever taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator?

lowkee

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Re: Anyone ever taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator?

With all due respect, you originally responded:

There is almost as much written on the internet about the MB process as about boating. If you REALLY are interested, it wouldn't be hard to find out lots more....if you actually are interested. Although it certainly is easier just to yell "She's a witch, burn her".

Good point. So I did some research and found this:

About 50% of people tested within nine months remain the same overall type, and 36% remain the same type after more than nine months.[40]

Looks like the test itself can't decide what people are, so my "randomly chosen" comment may indeed be true. Of course, the MB test has no method of removing liars from changing the result. People who want to be a certain type can simply make themselves so. Yes, this has been tested as well.

In one study, when people were asked to compare their preferred type to that assigned by the MBTI, only half of people picked the same profile.[41] Critics also argue that the MBTI lacks falsifiability, which can cause confirmation bias in the interpretation of results.


Confirmation bias.. the means of using selective data to confirm a hypothesis. Also, something I mentioned and the main means of horoscopes and palm readings.


Again, my initial post was meant as a short, quick opinion as to how I felt the test should not be the basis of someone's dealings with others (or themselves), not as a thread capturing event.



What was the purpose of your post?
 

FBPirate95

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I think there is some misconception about this process. Learning your type isn't so you can change who you are. The point is to first know yourself, and your strengths, and know the strenghts of others around you. Once you understand yourself and others, you can begin to communicate in ways that bring out the strengths in everyone.

Too many times in business and life we focus on peoples weaknesses. This is just wrong. It wastes time and money for both the company and the person. Its just like the old saying: "Never try to teach a pig to sing, it?s a waste of time and you will annoy the pig."

Classic example is when your kid comes home with their report card. 5 A's and 1 C. What's your first reaction to them? In most cases its you better work on the C. Instead of recognizing the accomplishment of 5 A's and praising the child, the child now feels they really fell short of your approval. Where's the motivation in that?
 

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Re: Anyone ever taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator?

What was the purpose of your post?

Just as OP says above, it is a tool... and a widely accepted one.

But like any tool, if it is misused, or abused, it is not the fault of the tool...blame the workman.
As far as intentionally trying to skew the results towards the results that one wants....that is much like cheating at golf ~ when you are playing by yourself. :D
 

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Re: Anyone ever taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator?

Is this one of those test were if you read the questions first, you can tailer your ansewers, so you can be anyone the boss wants you to be????

Chimeing back in, I took a test like the one described a couple of times, and I swear, if you read the test through first, you could tell exactly what group the questions were leading you to.
"It was not CHEATING :D"
just an observation.:rolleyes::D
 

lowkee

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Re: Anyone ever taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator?

Just as OP says above, it is a tool... and a widely accepted one.

But like any tool, if it is misused, or abused, it is not the fault of the tool...blame the workman.
As far as intentionally trying to skew the results towards the results that one wants....that is much like cheating at golf ~ when you are playing by yourself. :D

"Widely accepted" is hardly scientific basis. You are the one who told me how much is written on the test, and this is your basis? People like it so it must be true?

It was, for decades, "widely accepted" that witches floated and good people sank, the world is flat, palm reading is accurate, fortune tellers can tell the future, the world is 7000 years old. So please, if your entire argument is to question my position and, when presented with actual data, pretend it never happened and say "because it's cool", don't.

Refer to this thread
 

FBPirate95

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"Widely accepted" is hardly scientific basis. You are the one who told me how much is written on the test, and this is your basis? People like it so it must be true?

It was, for decades, "widely accepted" that witches floated and good people sank, the world is flat, palm reading is accurate, fortune tellers can tell the future, the world is 7000 years old. So please, if your entire argument is to question my position and, when presented with actual data, pretend it never happened and say "because it's cool", don't.

Refer to this thread

Hm....I'm taking it that lowkee is an ST type....lol
 

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Re: Anyone ever taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator?

"Widely accepted" is hardly scientific basis. You are the one who told me how much is written on the test, and this is your basis? People like it so it must be true?

It was, for decades, "widely accepted" that witches floated and good people sank, the world is flat, palm reading is accurate, fortune tellers can tell the future, the world is 7000 years old. So please, if your entire argument is to question my position and, when presented with actual data, pretend it never happened and say "because it's cool", don't.

Refer to this thread

OK, let me rephrase...Widely accepted and used by professionals who are well-respected in their fields.
Neither of us would qualify for that group. ;)
Do you really think that something lifted from Wikipedia, of all places, and without attribution, qualifies as "accurate data" and strengthens your criticism of MB when weighed against expert opinion?

Throwing in references to "witches floating" and "fortune tellers" sends this in a direction that does indeed fit with that thread/poll that you started.

But heck, if it is as important to you as it appears, I will wave the white flag.
You win Sir, your arguments are just too...revealing.;)
We all have far better things to do.

In closing my participation in this hi-jack (apologies to FB) , I will dig into my archives and add this to
the pot ...and before LowKee jumps in I will state categorically that this has not been scientifically proven, and as far as i know has never really been investigated....:D:

Those of you who have, like me, on more than one occasion been subjected to/enjoyed the MB experience, may relate....

Wayyyyy beyond Myers Briggs:

After 10 years as a cryptography/security consultant, I recently crossed over the line and became a "security architect" for a startup. It seemed a good idea at the time, until one day, when I saw in my inbox an "invitation" to a series of offsite management training sessions.

Oh, good: 8.5 hours locked in a room with an HR-type and an urn full of bad coffee, singing the company song, coloring inside the lines, practicing the bland, meaningless smiles. I'll just catch up with everything else on Tuesday, right?

So, inevitably, in the middle of listening to the usual noise about how to empower our subordinates (half of us in the room counted ourselves lucky not to have subordinates, but I digress), we flinched as the the HR-type whipped out the dreaded Myers-Briggs test. Yes, even though all of us had taken this personality test more than once before, in similar self-improvement death-marches, and even though we all could classify each other as ESTP or INTJ on sight, and even though we all knew, well... we had to take it again, and we had to have our long-familiar "scores" explained to us again, and we all were very upbeat about it, because after all, this was a self-improvement deathmarch, and not a deathmarch of some other variety.

During this mess, I reflected on my own seat-of-the-pants classification of personality types, honed and refined during my decade of teaching crypto-101 to brokerage sys-admins:

I mainly use two orthogonal axes to classify people. First, everyone is either an Ally, or is not an Ally. Second, everyone is either an Enemy, or not. So, we can group people (coworkers, customers, investors, etc.) into four classes, right off the bat, without any insipid HR testing:

People who are Allies; People who are Enemies; People who are both; People who are neither.

People who are both Ally and Enemy call themselves "diplomatic," but of course, they're really just Traitors, or at best just unnecessary competition. They should handled as briefly as possible, if you get my drift.

People who are neither Enemy nor Ally like to pretend that they're just bystanders, but this point of view is wasteful of these persons' great potential, which must properly be "developed." So, I further subdivide this one group into two categories:

People who can be used as Weapons; People who can be used as Hostages.

So, instead of M-B's 16 personality-types, I count five:

Allies, Enemies, Traitors, Weapons, and Hostages.

This system of personality analysis is, I submit, at once more comprehensive and more useful than the feel-good Myers-Briggs in many realistic situations, whether you're in a design review, a maximum-security prison, or even in an all-day meeting with HR. Well, OK, that last one isn't strictly a realistic situation.
But you get my drift.
 

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Chimeing back in, I took a test like the one described a couple of times, and I swear, if you read the test through first, you could tell exactly what group the questions were leading you to.
"It was not CHEATING :D"
just an observation.:rolleyes::D

^^^^^^^^^^
 

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Re: Anyone ever taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator?

So, instead of M-B's 16 personality-types, I count five:

Allies, Enemies, Traitors, Weapons, and Hostages.

This is a much more realistic approach. I would think it to be more useful.
 
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