Badged as 9.8, Serial A901055 Running on One Cylinder Only

JDusza

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This one I've never seen before.
Compression 125/120 psi.
Air gap spark tester, spark jumps 3/8" easy, both cylinders.
Put it on the boat, take it out, no power. Like it's running on one cylinder.
Bring it back to the barrel. Pull spark plug wires while running:
Pull the top plug wire, no difference. Pull the bottom plug wire, engine stalls. Reverse test and pull bottom wire first, engine stalls. Therefore, top cylinder not performing.
Switch coils, top cylinder dead. Switch spark plugs, top cylinder dead. Switch high voltage spark plug leads, top cylinder dead.
So, ... top cylinder not working? Why? Fuel not making it through the reed plate?
Next thing for me is to pull the carburetor and get into the reed plate.
Any other ideas or experience with?
J
 

JDusza

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I do not see a reed plate in exploded view parts lists that I am looking at. Is there no reed plate in this block? How is fuel distributed to the cylinders?
J
 

racerone

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??----The reeds are way inside and part of the crankshaft assembly.----Easy to find on paper.-----Lots of work to get your hands on them if there is an issue.----Remove flywheel.----Inspect upper bearing housing and upper crankshaft seal.----Seen the bearing housing loose and seal popped out.
 

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And before you ask , there is no head gasket on that motor either.
 

JDusza

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Thanks racerone. lol I always fly too fast by Mercury cylinder castings not having head gaskets. Trick design. You've caught me the last few days. Gotta slow down. I've seen enough. I should get it.
Alas!
Removed the recoil starter, flywheel, electrical gear and top bearing housing. I find nothing out of place. Shaft seal looks good. Seating square and surrounding area is dry. O-ring seal looks good, in place, no tears or burrs. Again, dry, no obvious failure. Two brass shims in place. Nice and flat. No burrs or torn up edges. Even though they look good should I replace the o-ring and seal just to get them out of the diagnostic loop?
I can see the upper reed valves with the bearing housing removed. I believe I see two of them, one on the right side , one on the left (each about 1/2 inch wide). I am able to go in through the carburetor mount and gently articulate the reeds. They look fine, appear to be sealed at rest. Doesn't look like anything is impeding their opening function, no tissues or paper towels in there. lol
So, ... back to chasing a ghost.
Another thing I notice during cylinder verification, if I pull the lower plug lead the engine will eventually die but it will continue to spark from within the boot across the rubber boot to adjacent grounds as the engine is dying. I need to pull the lead way away from the engine block to stop spark power. The top plug wire does not do this. When I pull the top plug wire, there is no extrinsic spark waste. Could this mean the top spark just isn't enough even though it will jump 3/8 air gap?
Any other ideas? I dislike the risk of shearing screws and bolts during a complete teardown, but I may have to do it. The risk is probably small, though, as the engine is currently not an engine ....
I'm completely stumped.
J
 

JDusza

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Any other components within the crankcase that could leak resulting in vacuum loss at top reeds?
Should I replace the o-ring on the top bearing housing just because it's cheap and easy? Get it off the list?
J
 

JDusza

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Without anything else to try, I'm going by the words used in the parts list.
I see things called an intake cover and intake cover gasket. If this is leaking could it spoil the intake vacuum for the top cylinder?

J
 

JDusza

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Intake cover. Yes. Seals the intake paths between the sump and cylinders.
Looks like access was for machining the casting. Could leak vacuum, yes?
Gasket was squeezed right out of position, bulging like a figure 8 instead of parallel sides. Reseated with much better surface area contact. Had hope.
Hopes and dreams dashed. Top remains dead.
J
p.s., I'm convinced spark is good. Removed top spark plug and hung it off the side of the engine with the lower cylinder doing the running. Sparking like crazy. Compression again verified at 125.
 
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racerone

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You need-----Spark at the right time.----Compression in the cylinder.----Correct ( not too much or too little ) amount of fuel.------Compression in the crankcase.
 

JDusza

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racerone, thank you for sticking around. This story is so long.
I'm short on the diagnostics. Timing, stator signal, trigger and crankcase pressure measurement techniques I'm not familiar with. I'll have to look for videos on how to.
1 Spark at the right time
One of the big clues I have is that even squirting premix into the cylinder it does not fire. If I have compression and spark and the timing is on (if this were any other engine on my stand), then some shot of fuel should/would make it pop, even if I had to pull 10 -12 times to get past flooding. I would expect some sort of reaction. And I get nothing. This has to be the super-clue.
I also gotta learn how to diagnose signals from the stator and magneto coils to the power pack. Is the input right? Is the trigger jumping? How do I know my flywheel magnets are good?
The amount of spark energy jumps a 3/8"air gap and several spark plugs light up the night. I will say the upper spark plug wire and boot does not leak like the lower cylinder's. When I pull the lower spark plug lead while running I have to really get the wire away from the block or it'll keep arcing wildly to grounds. Without the spark plug lead inserted, the coil for the lower cylinder will arc to ground. The top cylinder wire and boot does not leak anything wildly to ground. Better insulation? Weak? If weak, would it jump 3/8?
I've swapped all spark plug leads and coils. I have not swapped the flywheel, trigger, magneto coils, stator or power pack.
2 Compression
Consistently tests at 125 psi. The lower cylinder tests at 120. Could be off gauge-to-gauge but the ballpark is believable. If I throw an error of 30 psi at my reading and look at either 155 for the high or 95 for the low, the 155 doesn't seem likely and the 95 might still work so I gotta believe compression is actually between 110 and 135 psi. I think it's good.
3 Correct amount of fuel
This is where I went down the rabbit hole with reeds (but I'm still stuck with the squirting premix dead reaction from above). Without splitting the crankcase I cannot get to them. If all other attributes are in line, then I'm not getting fuel. Squirting premix should support that and it doesn't so I flirt back to timing. What would stop fuel flow to just the top cylinder? Reeds not articulating, intake cover gasket leaking at the upper position. Any other independent pathway for just the top?
Originally, I found the carburetor needle sticky. Cleaned it up, went through the jets, etc, did not change any parts. It's the Walbro carb with the little coil spring on the bottom of the needle. The carburetor is wet and dumps fuel out the front when choked. Adjustment will influence the running quality. Seems to be functional to where I should be able to run and deal with tuning. Squirting premix should give me a reaction and it doesn't.
4 Crankcase compression
Reeds, bearing o-ring, crankshaft seals, covers and gaskets. Cracks? Is there any way to measure crankcase pressure?
Of course I'm stuck with not knowing when to quit spending money on it or diagnostic stuff. Who said "it's not the destination, it's the journey"? As a learning experience it has yet to pay dividends. I hate to junk it because so much of it is good. There has to be a solution but right now I do not have the diagnostic capabilities.
Thanks for listening and for the support.
J
 
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