BARRY BONDS

NYMINUTE

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Originally posted by Barlow:<br /> Oh, sorry..<br /><br />..I thought this was another investment topic :p <br /><br /> :D
Only if ya wanna buy some hot steroids... :D :D
 

tylerin

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Since Hank Aaron, and Babe Ruth, they've shaved the mound down a few inches, and have made the ball more livlier. Take steroids out of the picture and his stats should still have an asterick.
 

Ralph 123

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Hey Prof, I agree with your solution that's for sure. <br /><br />As for performance enhancers, let me ask this: does the fact that Kurt Shilling was shot up with painkillers and held together by microsurgery during the playoffs make his accomplishments as null and void as a guy on roids? These drugs and procedures didn't exist even 50 years ago. Where do you draw the line? <br /><br />Roids won't turn me into a major leaguer they just make some major leaguers better. So does good nutrition and training. <br /><br />What if a form of roids were found in an eatable plant? Would eating that "food" be cheating? <br /><br />Why are roids bad but cortisone and the other drugs they take to play hurt ok?<br /><br />I just don't see any difference. The line seems arbitrary.<br /><br />As for * in a book of stats the whole subject is fascinating to me. It gets to the whole mystique surrounding the written word. Anyway, what really matters is what people think, not what is written. Babe's accomplishment will never be diminished no matter what is written in some book. The Babe is a revered today as he was at the end of his career. Nothing is going to change that.
 

kenimpzoom

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Originally posted by Ralph:<br /> They should just make them legal and let them be administered by real Docs with full risk disclosure. Anything an athlete does changes their body - vitamins, proper nutrition, training regiments, high tech medical procedures, etc. <br /><br />Players today eat better, train better and have better equipment than players 100 years ago so comparing them doesn't make sense anyway. <br /><br />Make it as safe as possible and in the open because you'll never stop most athletes from doing anything they can to get an edge anyway. they've been using them for decades in almost every sport. Everybody knows it. End the hypocrisy...<br /><br />People want home runs and that's what they are getting. If we wanted fewer runs we'd deaden the ball and/or extend the outfield.<br /><br />As for McCain, this confirms my worst fears about him. A US Senator who wants to legislate baseball!!! Give me a break! We have real problems for our leaders to deal with!
I am with you Ralph!<br /><br />Ken
 

cbnoodles

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Originally posted by Ralph:<br /> As for performance enhancers, let me ask this: does the fact that Kurt Shilling was shot up with painkillers and held together by microsurgery during the playoffs make his accomplishments as null and void as a guy on roids? These drugs and procedures didn't exist even 50 years ago. Where do you draw the line? <br />
No, I don't believe painkillers and surgery qualify as performance enhancers. They merely allow the athlete to compete at or near his/her normal (whatever that is) level. This is not a semantic point either. Steroids, and all of the other drugs I can't name that fall into the ("performance enhancement") category, produce results that an athlete could never achieve without their use.<br /><br />Your question is not relevant because Babe Ruth, Jimmy Foxx, Stan Musial, and the rest of the old-timers had medicine and techniques at their disposal that were not available to their predecessors. Nobody that I know of has ever questioned their accomplishments in that context.<br /><br />I'd like to clarify here that in Barry Bonds' case, I am immensely disappointed. Not due to the recent success he has enjoyed but because of what I believed he was capable of early in his career. For those of you who recall or care to look up his stats for the first ten years of his career, Bonds would not come close to approaching the home run records at the pace he was setting.<br /><br />He was however, in a class by himself, blending power and speed never seen before. He was single-handedly forming a new class of ballplayer who could win with his bat, legs, glove, or arm like none before. But, he was NOT going to hit 73 homeruns in a season or top 600 for his career.<br /><br />I noticed a distinct change in Bonds shortly after he went to SF from Pittsburgh. His glove work dropped off dramatically and he nearly stopped stealing bases altogether. In the meantime, he began hitting homeruns at a prodigious pace even while playing half his games in Candlestick Park, notorious for knocking long fly balls down.<br /><br />I was and am still convinced that Bonds (and a great many others) have changed the game (hopefully not permanently) by padding their stats to appease sponsors and line their pockets. As idealistic as this may sound, I think MLB can and should clean up its act and restore some of the dignity and honesty to a great game, the best game in the world.
 

LadyFish

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Well, Babe Ruth was known to regularly use the "performance-enhancing substances" beer and hot dogs. :D
 

NYMINUTE

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Originally posted by LadyFish:<br /> Well, Babe Ruth was known to regularly use the "performance-enhancing substances" beer and hot dogs. :D
What about his passion for women, err, cigars?
 

AK_Chappy

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Originally posted by NYMINUTE:<br />
Originally posted by LadyFish:<br /> Well, Babe Ruth was known to regularly use the "performance-enhancing substances" beer and hot dogs. :D
What about his passion for women, err, cigars?
He coulda been Prez then.<br /><br /> :) <br /><br />AK Chappy
 
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