Bass Boat "Pad"??

ddrieck

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Can someone tell me exactly what getting up on pad is? Does a bass boat have a special section at the stern that is the "pad"?:confused:

I know when people talk about runnig there outboard above or below the pad is mainly refeing to above or below the keel but what about the before mentioned?
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

your question is answered in detail about two thirds of the way down this article... good reading and by the way the short answer is yes
 

Snobike Mike

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

You are talking about a hull pad which is a flat portion of the hull at the transom that improves the top end speed of the boat.

Because it is flat it produces the least amount of drag (as compared to any v shape) and once on full plane you are close to if not competely running on the flat surface.

it does of course make for a more skittish handling and bumpier ride.
 

Texasmark

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it does of course make for a more skittish handling and bumpier ride.

I disagree other than a bumpier ride caused by speed alone, not hull design, which would be present on other types of hulls as well. Course on the pad, you have a small area contacting the water so pounds per square inch of wave impact would be less hence a smoother ride as compared to a hull with a lot of wetted area.

My pad experience is quite the opposite. I liked being up over the water (so to speak) and when large waves were encountered, I had a long "spring of sorts" to absorb the smack. Additionally, I found that my mpg were great due to the reduced drag, hence lower hp requirement resulting in lower fuel consumption as compared to a conventional hull. Swore I wouldn't have another type of hull and so far I haven't.

Mark
 

ddrieck

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

OK, things are becoming less foggy in my head now. On my 92 Euroline 195 the hull transitions from a v down to a very smooth surface at the stern, is this area the Pad?

Anyone have a really good piture of the hull of a bass boat that has a "pad"?
 

Philster

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

Both start off with a V-shaped hull, but the bass boat goes to a flat pad at the rear, while a performance hull built for different water maintains a V at the stern.

See the little bit of white area at the rear of the bass boat? Yeah, that is pretty much the pad.


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bekosh

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

Here is a link to Brunswick's patent for the Pad bottom hull.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5390624.pdf
If you scroll down to the cross-sections you can see how the keel flattens out compared to a V-bottom like Philster's Scarab or my Eclipse.

For a given horsepower, the Pad bottom will be faster in calm water but won't handle any type of wave as well as a V-bottom will.
 

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

Below is artical on one of the best hulls every made..Hydrostream. It describes the evolution of pads on boats.

"When discussing hull technology, we must consider many variables that formulate the performance potential of a particular hull, and how this performance should best be exploited. Some things to consider are propeller type and size, hull weight and size, setback, amount and weight of the power unit, the situations the hull will be used in, water conditions, and of course, the hull design itself. For purposes of this discussion, we shall focus on the V, XT, and YT bottom designs.

It all started with the padded V-bottom we are all familiar with. The V-bottom is basic in design, and very efficient from a physical standpoint. Hydrostream introduced several versions of this, but basically they belong to two categories � hooked and non-hooked. Generally, the padded V-bottom hull requires less horsepower to achieve satisfactory performance than its counterparts. Why is this? By design, the V-bottom hulls are lighter, and have the least contact area with the water at moderate to high speeds. In other words, they are the "driest" hulls. At speeds above sixty mph, the hull starts to "ride" on its pad, allowing the rest of the hull to ride above the water, parting the wind. Typically, a Hydrostream V-bottom hull running at eighty mph and above will be riding on about twelve to sixteen inches of the length on its pad.

This design, although highly efficient, has one drawback � it�s extremely unstable at high speeds to the novice user. Beginning at about sixty mph and becoming exponentially worse as speeds increase, the hull will "chine walk" as the user brings the hull up on its pad. This has the effect of the hull swaying on its keel, and the user must counteract this effect with steering and trim input. If left to its own devices, this can become extremely dangerous, and without constant and proper user intervention to maintain control, the user can lose complete control of the rig. What forces are involved in chine walking? Basically, the user is attempting to balance the hull on the center pad, while the water passing by the lower unit is trying to "eject" the lower unit from the water. Many hours of careful practice are required to safely execute the operation of a V-bottom hull at very high speeds.

Finally, the worst nightmare of all � blowing over. The V-bottom is very sensitive to trim input, and applying too much positive trim and power at the same time can cause a blow over. These hulls are extremely light, and the wind must be considered when applying trim adjustments. Many people tend to "hang" these hulls too high; thinking that higher is better, when in fact this is quite contrary to the truth. More on this later�

Performance is fast, and V-bottom hulls generally cut through chop well, however, the lightweight of these hulls can be counterproductive to a comfortable ride in anything more than a modest chop. Generally, these hulls corner turns well, however, on tight maneuvers these hulls tend to slide the stern, and cannot offer the "on rails" handling of the YT and ZT hulls.

In the early seventies, Hydrostream sought to make its hulls safer for the average boater by the inclusion of a "hook" in the pad at the stern. This design was used on the Viper, Vector, Verado, Varmint, and Vamp. The hook added a trim tab effect to the hull, forcing the bow down as speeds increased. Although this safety feature did not completely prevent blowovers, it did make the hulls more tolerable to the masses. These hulls did take a performance hit as far as top speed is concerned because of this, however, as many came to realize, adding significant horsepower increases over rated maximums, setback units, and sometimes filling the hook in (or removing it) added greatly to the performance potential of these hulls.

In 1976, OMC introduced their 200 hp V6, and a year later, Mercury introduced the 175 hp Black Max. Hydrostream went to work on a hull that would handle the extra power and weight of these motors, and a hull that more experienced users can exploit. That culminated into the 1978 Viking � a non-hooked V-bottom. Better balanced than its predecessors, and much safer at ultra high speeds, this hull set the standard for many performance boaters and boat companies. The non-hooked design carried over to the Vulture, Vegas, and Venus. It�s no wonder a Viking will achieve higher speeds than a much lighter Viper with the same power.

Ideally, the Viking should run well with a minimum of five inches of setback and V6 power. For hulls with more than 230 hp, a cleaver is recommended, otherwise, use a roundear-style propeller. Upon acceleration, the user should start trimming out gradually, starting from a level plane in the sixty mph range. Positive trim should be applied until the hull "breaks away", and then leveled off as full power is applied. More trim than this, and you�re compromising your performance as well as safety. With the proper setup, these hulls will attain speeds of over 100 mph with 240 hp or more.
 

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ddrieck

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

Thank you everyone for the replies, good reads, and pictures. You have pretty well cleared it up for me. It still amazes me that some of the new bass boats running over 250hp V6's will plane out and run on such a small area of the hull/pad and not be horribly out of control; even at speeds approaching 100 mph.
 

Genonbamagirl

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

Thank you everyone for the replies, good reads, and pictures. You have pretty well cleared it up for me. It still amazes me that some of the new bass boats running over 250hp V6's will plane out and run on such a small area of the hull/pad and not be horribly out of control; even at speeds approaching 100 mph.

Technology is great. Out of control is subjective. Blasting along at really high speeds on somewhat less than rough water, the better designed "bass" hulls are quite effecient and somewhat stable. Blasting along on even a mild chop in a bay - well, umm, not for me.
 

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Re: Bass Boat "Pad"??

"Both start off with a V-shaped hull, but the bass boat goes to a flat pad at the rear, while a performance hull built for different water maintains a V at the stern."

Not really. Nice Scarab but that's a completely outdated offshore hull, everybody except for a few holdouts runs a pad on their hull, most with steps or a notched transom. Fountain, Nortech, Outerlimits, Velocity....


Nice Scarab though.
 

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Oh and as for skitish handeling of pad hulls it's a ll reliative to boat length how fast you can run, but then there are 13' hydrostreams running over 100 mph no problem.
 

Texasmark

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Getting back into this. I'm no racer. My first pad boat was a stock Ranger 17' Fisherman with an '89 115 Tower of Power. The rigger that sold it to me rigged it out with a 24P Merc SS prop.

On my first outing I realized that my hole shot totally sucked but WOT produced 55 mph and as the guys mentioned, I was starting to get into speeds where stability was getting to be an issue as mentioned.

I later swapped the prop for a 21P which was ported and that turned out to be the perfect prop for that boat; ports for a good hole shot and enough pitch to get 49 mph out of the rig. Regardless, I could get full use of my hull design (deep V with the pad) from just-on-plane to WOT.

That boat was smooth, dry, and safe. I never felt uneasy when getting caught out on our windy lakes here and we have a lot of them. I have been in waves so big that spray would come directly over the bow, gunwale at the bow within an inch of going under, and I had to stand up and sit as the waves hit me and went by, to be able to hang on. The Tower? She never missed a lick. I assure you, had she, I would have been in dire straits.

Mark
 
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